Intro: The Book of Isiah: Unraveling The Biggest Myth in Sports
Chapter 1: The Roster: Worst in Sports History?
Chapter 2: The Past: Rewriting Isiah’s Resume
Chapter 3: The Salary Cap Myth: Pure Media Madness
Chapter 4: The "Mistakes": Mountains from Mole Hills
Chapter 5: The Drafting Genius: Isiah the Prophet
Chapter 6: The Trades: Turning Weatherspoon Into Wine
CHAPTER 6
The Trades: Turning Weatherspoon into Wine
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Pop Quiz: Which currently RETIRED player should Isiah NOT have traded for young talent?
Media Backlash: The Eddy Curry trade has been called “the worst trade in the history of sports”; the Steve Francis backlash makes folks believe that Trevor Ariza is Kobe Bryant; and the media endlessly reports on Jalen Rose’s salary instead of the trade’s draft pick that turned into Renaldo Balkman.
Analysis: Let’s get this out of the way. While overhauling an entire roster in three years Thomas made at least one bad trade of any significance. Forget salary. This is simply a bad trade because Trevor Ariza was more valuable to the Knicks than Francis, who were already loaded at the shooting guard position. Ariza is emerging as a defensive specialist with a solid all-around game. Francis, and his declining knee, is just not the same athlete from a couple of years ago. In summary, Thomas made one bad trade. Any media critic who obsesses too long over this mistake should consider that another GM probably would not have stolen Trevor Ariza in the draft’s 2nd round in the first place, and be soothed that he was able to parlay Francis and Channing Frye into Zach Randolph. Final translation: 8th pick (Frye) and 43rd pick (Ariza) for Zach Randolph.
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)
Analysis:
Each trade that you see listed above received criticism from the short-sighted media during its time. These trades boil down to the Knicks trading Kurt Thomas (now 34), and a bunch of AARP members for a cadre of young promising players ages 22 -27 that form the nucleus of a Knicks youth movement for the next 10 years. While the media was loudly portraying Thomas as a dunce for absorbing expensive contracts (see Malik and Jalen Rose), Thomas was quietly collecting first round draft picks as part of these deals. And when it comes to drafting quality, Thomas is the best in the business. The media was too busy perpetuating the myth of the salary cap to notice that the Thomas strategy was turning old into young, retirees into rookies, and hopelessness into hope.Media Hypocrisy: Let’s set the record sraight. Isiah’s media critics will now often give high praise to Thomas’ DRAFTING of David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, and Mardy Collins. But to this very day Thomas will rarely receives any credit for TRADING for those draft picks that landed these players. In fact, Thomas is STILL often RIPPED for making both the Malik Rose and Jalen Rose trades that landed those picks. The media simply cannot have it both ways. This bears repeating for those slow on the uptake: Thomas traded Nazi Mohammed and Antonio Davis for David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, and Mardy Collins! Because it is hard to conceive that so many media members are THAT dumb, like the salary cap issue, one can only conclude that there is personal anti-Isiah bias at work in their reporting.
Dec. 2007 UPDATE on Part C: "The Signature Trades". It is fair to say with two additional months hindsight this portion of the column has been turned on its head. Marbury went AWOL after a game 5 benching and has never really returned and the Knicks have never recovered; Eddy Curry has not developed in 2007, and the acquisition of Randolph (a steal on paper) has helped to stunt Curry’s growth and that of other young players. Ultimately, it is the outcome of "the signature trades" that will overshadow all of the excellent trades in Part B — as it should.
C. The Signature Trades
Marbury Trade Analysis: Depending on his performance the next two years, the Marbury trade looks like either a very good one or an average one. Marbury has emerged as floor leader that his critics previously doubted he could. Unfortunately, this trade could probably never be fully evaluated because Thomas gave up two #1 picks. Two #1 picks in Isiah’s hand have much more value than when being held by another GM. Still a good trade?: Most likely. Great trade?: Only, if Marbury leads the Knicks into title contention in the next few years. No complete assessment can be made prior to the 2010 draft pick.
Curry Trade Analysis: At best this will be a great trade for the Knicks or more likely a win-win for both the Knicks and the Bulls since Ty Thomas and Joakim Noah have great potential. Ultimately, this trade will be decided on whether Isiah is right about Curry’s recently emerging development as “the tip of the iceberg”. At this point, there is little reason to doubt Thomas here. Finally, any fair discussion of the Curry trade must also include the Knicks addition of Balkman who would not have been acquired without the pick-up of Antonio Davis’ expiring contract. After the media has ignored this fact for over a year, credit is given to New York Post bloggers for urging that this be reported (*see retraction below).
*Update – October 5: While on the excellent blog The Knix Fix[1] yesterday, this passage was critiqued through the following cited point (Hat Tip to Adam L) by commenter MattyKay[2] "Balkman should not be considered part of the Curry trade even though he was acquired for Antonio Davis’s contract, because the Knicks also gave up Tim Thomas’s expiring contract in the Curry deal. Therefore, it’s reasonable to assume that the Knicks would have just traded Tim Thomas to Toronto." This point about Tim Thomas’ similar contract is absolutely correct had not been previously considered. With that sound logic readers should now subtract Renaldo Balkman from the equation. The trade now becomes: Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler for Ty Thomas and Joakim Noah. While not as lopsided as yesterday, it is safe to say that there are too many unknowns about all four players future potential to render a verdict right now. The jury is out.
(Keeping in line with our "truth in reporting policy" if any reader can clearly show any factual error in any COSELLOUT column we will print the retraction for all to see and credit the source. We are beholden to no employer, advertiser or ego. The truth is our only master.)
Randolph Trade Analysis: Channing Frye, whose post-up game would never develop in an Eddy Curry centered offense should work better in Portland. Randolph’s brings rebounds and a midrange game that might complement Curry well and will always leave the Knicks with a post-up force on the floor. Critics who are concerned about interior defense, as am I, need to remind themselves that Channing Frye wasn’t reminding anyone of Patrick Ewing on D. In the worst case scenario where the post isn’t big enough for Curry and Randolph, one can always obtain value in a trade. In the final analysis, this trade is a straight-up steal.
4) Roster Depth and Versatility
The Knicks have incredible roster depth and versatility, in fact, maybe too much depth. This “problem”, which includes many young players, may open up possibilities for at least one more significant trade. Their versatility of different players may also make them a difficult playoff opponent where match-ups can be manipulated and adjusted across a 7 game series. Stay tuned.
Final Verse: Media critics will argue that the Knicks haven’t made the playoffs yet, but ignore the bigger picture and the stable of young talent he has amassed. They will argue that millions have been spent and we have argued that it is not their money to worry about. Nitpicking critics will also argue about deficiencies on court “chemistry”, but those critics never had Othella Harrington as trade bait. While one can point to many quality young players that Thomas exchanged for warm bodies on the shuffle-board circuit, there is not ONE-SINGLE EXCHANGE that in its final translation that can be definitively described as a bad trade. (His one clear mistake was also rectified as Steve Francis’ contract helped net Zach Randolph). The fact of the matter is that Thomas and Dolan’s dollars have done the impossible to the Knick’s bench: Turn Spike Lee into David Lee. While impatient and biased journalists were looking at the house "as-is", Thomas, like any smart business person was looking at "what the house could become". As stated elsewhere the Knicks will likely become title contenders in 2 – 3 years.
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[1] While I have come across many solid Knicks blogs over the last couple of days, perhaps none was more impressive than the New York Newsday’s "The Knix Fix". The commenters on the blog flat out know their Knicks. Fair warning: If you decide to engage, you better do your homework first, otherwise we suggest that you go back and play with the other kids in the sandbox known as the ESPN Conversation comments section.
[2] MattyKays point was originally made by Dan Zink from Knicks Clicks whose entire article contains both point of agreement and disagreement.
End Note: For a comprehensive detailed overview of ALL transactions (trades, draft, free agency) of Isiah thomas anf Scott Layden before him go to this post at by Michael j. Liston Knicksonline.com
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Hawk,
I don’t think Marbury was a “win-now” trade. I think Isiah made that trade to create interest in the Knicks. Knicks fans were totally demoralized by the Layden years. Layden’s teams were not only bad, but deathly boring also. The Marbury trade galvanized the fan base, at least in the short term, and signalled that it was time to start paying attention to the Knicks again.
Hawk, your points are well taken but I just don’t see them getting as high as the 7th pick (deng) in 2004 even if they did not sign marbury. Also David’s points about morale were also well taken.
I agree that morale was low and that Marbury acted like a band aid in that respect. However, that team barely made the playoffs and were then swept. The role of the GM is to look at the long term future of a franchise and not sacrifice the long term in favor of a quick fix.
So, of course the trade was a win-now trade. Even if just for morale purposes, it was a win-now trade. What was important then and is still important is that Isiah maximize his draft choices to increase the odds that he will be able to draft a true star. By trading Marubury, he delayed that process. The Curry trade has further delayed the process.
The strong counter-example to Isiah is Ainge. Ainge stripped the team of talent to acquire as many draft choices as possible. By doing so, he acquired enough high value young players that he was able to acquire both Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in one off-season. As a result, the Celtics are now contenders. Morale was awful in Boston, but now there is true excitement because the fans know they have a contender in the East. If Isiah had spent the last four years dumping players for draft picks only, we could have been contenders for Garnett. Because we traded for Marbury and Curry, we missed that window of opportunity.
Isiah needs to follow that path now while these players have value. Marbury is on the wrong side of 30. By the time this team is ready to contend, Marbury will likely be done as a player. The smart move will be to trade Marbury to a contending team after the season for a pick before he begins to lose value.
You make good points on marbury. As I’ve said, I’m not going to hang Isiah’s rep on the marbury trade, but his trades in their totality.
Having stated that, I DON’T thing ainge is a good example of anything. Ainge simply lucked up on KG because him and Mchale are boys. It’s pretty much as simple as that. Minny could have easily gotten a better package from the Bulls. besides isiah would have gotten crushed if he ever did a Telfair for Brandon Roy trade. Ainge made up for it, but creidt goes to Mchale.
Modi, I hate to say it because you have made a ton of excellent points, but… the latest Marbury incident has proven my original analysis of the Marbury trade to be correct. It was the wrong trade and wrong strategy to try and build the team around such a self-centered player.
Steph’s latest bizarre behavior further confirms that Isiah made a critical mistake in trading picks for Marbury and Curry. When a team is bad, the smartest way to rebuild is to always go for the draft. If you are lucky enough to get a true superstar, you can then build a team around that player.
Isiah never gave the Knicks a chance to use his best asset (drafting) to its maximum potential. Now the team is heading toward a disaster because of Steph’s selfishness.
Hawk, I admit that this trade is not looking so good right now. hell, I would completely concede the point but I’ll still hold out some perhaps unrealistic hope that a resurgence is made similar to last year after he had a horrible November. But I’m pretty much ready to concede your Marbury point. It would have been great if he hit that 3 tonight with under a minute left. That would have been a nice story.
I’ll hold off on the “headed toward disaster” analysis and remind myself that this is still a marathon.
Wow. What stuff you and others wrote way back in Nov.,
though you had the audacity to REPEAT it, “Isiah is a GREAT drafter” ..even in December…when it was clear to everyone
but YOU that this team, this coach, this franchise, this owner..was, is and will be a DISASTOR as long as Isiah is involved. Doubt me . Check the facts, the record. Case CLOSED.
steven, actually, Isiah IS a great drafter. Staring with Toront, just look at his body of work and compare it to virtually any other GM relative to their drafting position. His Channing Frye pick represents his only clearly bad pick at this point. Most GMs who have picked as many times and Isiah have multiple bad picks — even the best GMs.
While I’ve downgrade Isiah’s performance because all three of his signature trades have not worked out, the disaster that is this season can be directly attributed to first the Zach Randolph trade and secondly, a truly horrible coaching performance for the ages (from December: http://www.cosellout.com/?p=192). Starting with his mishandling of the Marbury situation (Marbury is the only true point), to his refusal to break up the Zach-Eddy starting pair, to his refusal to bench Q, to his refusal to start defenseive guys, to his refusal to develop young guys, it has been a disaster… we just disagree as to why…
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