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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The Isiah Rules&#8221; I: Thomas vs. John Paxson&#8217;s Tenure</title>
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		<title>By: Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2007/11/27/isiah-thomas-vs-john-paxson-part-1-two-teams-two-gms-two-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-2110</link>
		<dc:creator>Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modi,  

Thank you for providing the link on Knick Defense.  It is difficult to get here because there is so much to read and so little time, but your material should be required reading and spread around more.  I encourage us all to be Johnny Appleseeds and sprinkle a little MODI around the blogosphere and share this link wherever you can.

Very fine analysis. Very fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modi,  </p>
<p>Thank you for providing the link on Knick Defense.  It is difficult to get here because there is so much to read and so little time, but your material should be required reading and spread around more.  I encourage us all to be Johnny Appleseeds and sprinkle a little MODI around the blogosphere and share this link wherever you can.</p>
<p>Very fine analysis. Very fine.</p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jones, thanks! Here is some more on it: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-327/Garden-Variety-Psycho.html  I&#039;ve also read Isola complaining on his own blog, and Irigin is most definitely right about the bully becoming the baby.

Yes, on one hand it might explain some of the reason why they are pissed off but on the other hand, I was reading the Daily&#039;s everyday when they were WINNING during the Patrick Ewing era and the writers, including Isola, treated them like shit. Want some perspective: the New York Post wrote the unforgiveable &quot;Good Riddance&quot; the day Patrick Ewing got traded. After all that man gave to the Knicks, a warrior who played with pain all the time. These guys will trade in decency at any time if it sells one more copy.

If James Dolan has a back off media policy, it is for damn good reason. They are vultures ONLY concerned about creating villains to sell papers. If I&#039;m James Dolan I would tell guys like Isola and Vaccarro to go fuck themselves. They have some serious balls to complain considering the columns they write. The best thing I could say about isola is that Lupica and Mitch lawrence do their best to make him seem &quot;fair and balanced&quot;. Listen Jones, if I invite you over to my house for dinner and you spit on my food, piss on my rug, and shit on my couch should I have an obliged to happily pass you the potatoes? How arrogant is it for a reporter to believe that they can write hack pieces and be expected to be treated nice afterwards?

My only regret is that there are some fair writers like the NY Times Howard Beck and Newsday&#039;s Alan Hahn who get caught in the web as a result. However, I would argue that their dissappointment should not be with James Dolan or Isiah, but rather their colleagues over at the Daily news and the NY Post. In the True Hoop article Alan Hahn says that Isola really does love the Knicks. That tells me that Hahn has some really fucked up friends or never actually read an Isola column... perhaps Hahn should start with this one:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2007/11/its-isiahs-hoax-and-were-all-v.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones, thanks! Here is some more on it: <a href="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-327/Garden-Variety-Psycho.html" rel="nofollow">http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-28-327/Garden-Variety-Psycho.html</a>  I&#8217;ve also read Isola complaining on his own blog, and Irigin is most definitely right about the bully becoming the baby.</p>
<p>Yes, on one hand it might explain some of the reason why they are pissed off but on the other hand, I was reading the Daily&#8217;s everyday when they were WINNING during the Patrick Ewing era and the writers, including Isola, treated them like shit. Want some perspective: the New York Post wrote the unforgiveable &#8220;Good Riddance&#8221; the day Patrick Ewing got traded. After all that man gave to the Knicks, a warrior who played with pain all the time. These guys will trade in decency at any time if it sells one more copy.</p>
<p>If James Dolan has a back off media policy, it is for damn good reason. They are vultures ONLY concerned about creating villains to sell papers. If I&#8217;m James Dolan I would tell guys like Isola and Vaccarro to go fuck themselves. They have some serious balls to complain considering the columns they write. The best thing I could say about isola is that Lupica and Mitch lawrence do their best to make him seem &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221;. Listen Jones, if I invite you over to my house for dinner and you spit on my food, piss on my rug, and shit on my couch should I have an obliged to happily pass you the potatoes? How arrogant is it for a reporter to believe that they can write hack pieces and be expected to be treated nice afterwards?</p>
<p>My only regret is that there are some fair writers like the NY Times Howard Beck and Newsday&#8217;s Alan Hahn who get caught in the web as a result. However, I would argue that their dissappointment should not be with James Dolan or Isiah, but rather their colleagues over at the Daily news and the NY Post. In the True Hoop article Alan Hahn says that Isola really does love the Knicks. That tells me that Hahn has some really fucked up friends or never actually read an Isola column&#8230; perhaps Hahn should start with this one:<br />
<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2007/11/its-isiahs-hoax-and-were-all-v.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2007/11/its-isiahs-hoax-and-were-all-v.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: orign</title>
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		<dc:creator>orign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Jones. No wonder frank isola acts like a lil girl when talking about the Knicks. For once I have to say I am glad that the knicks are doing that. The mainstream media are always putting folks in check. I&#039;m glad someone is putting their butt in check for once.

now the big bully is acting like a cry babby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Jones. No wonder frank isola acts like a lil girl when talking about the Knicks. For once I have to say I am glad that the knicks are doing that. The mainstream media are always putting folks in check. I&#8217;m glad someone is putting their butt in check for once.</p>
<p>now the big bully is acting like a cry babby.</p>
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		<title>By: Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Modi have you seen this

http://www.observer.com/2007/life-knicks-hell?page=0%2C0

it might actually explain some of the negative treatment Isaih and Knicks receive in the press. Sounds like the beat writers have an axe to grind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Modi have you seen this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.observer.com/2007/life-knicks-hell?page=0%2C0" rel="nofollow">http://www.observer.com/2007/life-knicks-hell?page=0%2C0</a></p>
<p>it might actually explain some of the negative treatment Isaih and Knicks receive in the press. Sounds like the beat writers have an axe to grind.</p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jack. Much appreciated. Agreement is not necessary from my point of view. Helping to provide a more balanced discussion is just as important a goal.

Matt, good point about the uninsured part about Curry&#039;s salary. I hadn&#039;t considered that. But 9M still seems like a great deal IF he can be paired with a defensive shot-blocking sidekick. We agree that randolp&#039;s salary is less tradeable. But because of randolph the loss of Curry would be far less of a hit than it would have been last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jack. Much appreciated. Agreement is not necessary from my point of view. Helping to provide a more balanced discussion is just as important a goal.</p>
<p>Matt, good point about the uninsured part about Curry&#8217;s salary. I hadn&#8217;t considered that. But 9M still seems like a great deal IF he can be paired with a defensive shot-blocking sidekick. We agree that randolp&#8217;s salary is less tradeable. But because of randolph the loss of Curry would be far less of a hit than it would have been last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt, your friendly Bulls Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt, your friendly Bulls Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modi,

I don&#039;t have the same optimism you do over dealing either Curry or Randolph. 

Curry has a more manageable salary, but it is still substantial for a one-dimensional player. And perhaps the biggest (only?) point about his tradeability is that his contract is uninsured, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Dolan&#039;s the only one willing to take on such a risk. He likely was the only one the first time Curry was available.

And Randolph&#039;s trade value isn&#039;t as much of a mystery, as he was just traded after a very good (statistical) season in Portland. All that got Portland was a bought-out Steve Francis and some other spare parts like Frye. If he keeps a high level of play his contract gets shorter and less of a pain, but playing on a bad team rarely helps value.

A lot of it goes to the idea that Dolan&#039;s pockets make cap disasters irrelevant. For him, maybe. But nearly every other owner is a lot more cautious, so mistakes are harder to pass on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modi,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the same optimism you do over dealing either Curry or Randolph. </p>
<p>Curry has a more manageable salary, but it is still substantial for a one-dimensional player. And perhaps the biggest (only?) point about his tradeability is that his contract is uninsured, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Dolan&#8217;s the only one willing to take on such a risk. He likely was the only one the first time Curry was available.</p>
<p>And Randolph&#8217;s trade value isn&#8217;t as much of a mystery, as he was just traded after a very good (statistical) season in Portland. All that got Portland was a bought-out Steve Francis and some other spare parts like Frye. If he keeps a high level of play his contract gets shorter and less of a pain, but playing on a bad team rarely helps value.</p>
<p>A lot of it goes to the idea that Dolan&#8217;s pockets make cap disasters irrelevant. For him, maybe. But nearly every other owner is a lot more cautious, so mistakes are harder to pass on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Cobra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this on Ballhype as I write about the Bulls and was checking out related articles.

Although, as a Bulls fan, I can&#039;t agree with everything you wrote and don&#039;t have time, or the energy, to go into the details of all the work of John Paxson....I can agree that this was a very compelling article. Nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this on Ballhype as I write about the Bulls and was checking out related articles.</p>
<p>Although, as a Bulls fan, I can&#8217;t agree with everything you wrote and don&#8217;t have time, or the energy, to go into the details of all the work of John Paxson&#8230;.I can agree that this was a very compelling article. Nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steady. I was having this discussion the other day with a friend about how to get all the facts in while also making it digestable. Its a tough balancing act, ESPECIALLY when taking an unpopular stance. For some of the longer pieces, I might start off with a one paragraph summary for &quot;the glancing crowd&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steady. I was having this discussion the other day with a friend about how to get all the facts in while also making it digestable. Its a tough balancing act, ESPECIALLY when taking an unpopular stance. For some of the longer pieces, I might start off with a one paragraph summary for &#8220;the glancing crowd&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!
Sum serious discourse be going down here. STOP, that was some great knowledge you dropped on the DNA angle. I missed that COMPLETELY.
T3, I see your points and tend to side with you (ever since you went to shave your head). I was concerned, however, that someone would read educated elitism in OUR stance. I&#039;m not sure what they&#039;re teaching the Journalism majors anymore. Time was when the Fundamentals (100-200s) were more robust and really &quot;disciplined&quot; the student. Today, it seems like only advanced degrees provide that &quot;discipline&quot; to weigh, counter-correct, add value, etc. I see your point about hacks dumbing down their shit Modi but c&#039;mon. We&#039;re talking JOURNALISM and the influence that MEDIA wields. This dilemma may be more an indictment on our educational system and our declining moral fiber. That topic is for another thread/blog (I suppose).

And Modi, I can understand the frustration that you confirmed to Jazz. For starters, we all come here and submit &quot;minis&quot;. You&#039;re swamped with your day job so you give us the very best of what you&#039;ve got and THANK YOU. You have the makings for chapters and sections in books but not the book itself I suppose. Even with that said Jazz, when you read the other MSM, pay attention to the topics and words as they are plagiarized from COSELLOUT. Maybe that is a small retribution. Still, this site is not being maintained with retribution and the ticketmaster does not accept it online when trying to get tickets to the games :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!<br />
Sum serious discourse be going down here. STOP, that was some great knowledge you dropped on the DNA angle. I missed that COMPLETELY.<br />
T3, I see your points and tend to side with you (ever since you went to shave your head). I was concerned, however, that someone would read educated elitism in OUR stance. I&#8217;m not sure what they&#8217;re teaching the Journalism majors anymore. Time was when the Fundamentals (100-200s) were more robust and really &#8220;disciplined&#8221; the student. Today, it seems like only advanced degrees provide that &#8220;discipline&#8221; to weigh, counter-correct, add value, etc. I see your point about hacks dumbing down their shit Modi but c&#8217;mon. We&#8217;re talking JOURNALISM and the influence that MEDIA wields. This dilemma may be more an indictment on our educational system and our declining moral fiber. That topic is for another thread/blog (I suppose).</p>
<p>And Modi, I can understand the frustration that you confirmed to Jazz. For starters, we all come here and submit &#8220;minis&#8221;. You&#8217;re swamped with your day job so you give us the very best of what you&#8217;ve got and THANK YOU. You have the makings for chapters and sections in books but not the book itself I suppose. Even with that said Jazz, when you read the other MSM, pay attention to the topics and words as they are plagiarized from COSELLOUT. Maybe that is a small retribution. Still, this site is not being maintained with retribution and the ticketmaster does not accept it online when trying to get tickets to the games <img src='http://www.cosellout.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SML, I share your sentiment on the Curry heart situation. I wonder if this was paxson&#039;s decision or Reinsdorf&#039;s

Jazz, it amazes me that Kiki&#039;s name comes up and this is the guy who sent THREE first rounders for Kenyon Martin AND drafted &quot;Skita&quot; (can&#039;t spell his name) with the 3rd overall pick. This AMAZES me that he is held in high regard.

Temple, i don&#039;t know if I really subscribe to the &quot;education theory&quot;. I don&#039;t know if it is a matter of education or insight. The bottom line is that there are many insightful writers who simply dumb their shit down. They care about selling papers. That is their job. Do you think a Lupica or Whitlock rose to fame by believing half the shit that they write? (Actually Lupica was good 25 years ago) they have controversial formulas that sell papers or website clicks and they get paid for their hackery. They are hustlers plain and simple. Anne Coulters of the sporting scene. The reason we always get the &quot;black villain&quot; flavor of the week is because that sells. Period.

As much as i appreciate your words, i don&#039;t know if my writing, your writing, and other bloggers concerned with &quot;fairness&quot;  would move any papers. people like the &quot;good vs. evil&quot; paradigm and don&#039;t really want nuance, even if it is the truth. People like their life simple and Lupica as a master at oversimplification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SML, I share your sentiment on the Curry heart situation. I wonder if this was paxson&#8217;s decision or Reinsdorf&#8217;s</p>
<p>Jazz, it amazes me that Kiki&#8217;s name comes up and this is the guy who sent THREE first rounders for Kenyon Martin AND drafted &#8220;Skita&#8221; (can&#8217;t spell his name) with the 3rd overall pick. This AMAZES me that he is held in high regard.</p>
<p>Temple, i don&#8217;t know if I really subscribe to the &#8220;education theory&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know if it is a matter of education or insight. The bottom line is that there are many insightful writers who simply dumb their shit down. They care about selling papers. That is their job. Do you think a Lupica or Whitlock rose to fame by believing half the shit that they write? (Actually Lupica was good 25 years ago) they have controversial formulas that sell papers or website clicks and they get paid for their hackery. They are hustlers plain and simple. Anne Coulters of the sporting scene. The reason we always get the &#8220;black villain&#8221; flavor of the week is because that sells. Period.</p>
<p>As much as i appreciate your words, i don&#8217;t know if my writing, your writing, and other bloggers concerned with &#8220;fairness&#8221;  would move any papers. people like the &#8220;good vs. evil&#8221; paradigm and don&#8217;t really want nuance, even if it is the truth. People like their life simple and Lupica as a master at oversimplification.</p>
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