BARF, I see what you are saying, but the Knicks also have good reserves. When I say the Knicks “gave up for one game” I mean it not in a really bad way like the TNT guys, but moreso like the way Jones explained in 10. In the end it was no huge deal and the TNT guys were all out of line.

Peace, all i’m saying is that I need more time to evaluate whether the Marbury situation is not recoverable. Last november every Knick fan was saying the same thing, but he bounced back in the second half. Does this year’s tiff with Isiah make that impossible? Just want more time, that’s all. What if he turns in more performances like the Utah game?

My other issue is that i don’t believe that Jamal can run the point long-term no matter how much the teammates respect him as a leader. Perhaps Mardy in time, but he doesn’t seem ready despite progress made at the end of last year. I’m just requesting a little more time. As a lifelong Knicks and Yankee fan, i’ve learned that there are often calm’s after the storm. …Having stated that if the Bibby-Artest package comes down for Marbury-Lee, we do it.

Isiah quit on his team…not the other way around.

He took both Zach and Curry after one quarter and neither of them saw time until the start of the third. When they went to the bench in the third, it was for good.

The players never quit on Isiah and it never seemed like it. The Boston game was out of hand almost from the beginning of the game. The Knicks rushed their shots on offense and all of the starters were guilty. Boston pushed the missed shots for easy baskets and cycle repeated…continuously….all game.

Chalk it up to a horrible loss…of historical proportions…but to perpetuate the TNT myth that the team “gave up” on their coach is to admit that you did not watch the game.

They definitely gave up the win. Isiah did that by giving up on his starters. But they haven’t given up on their coach.

He’s the only leader they have.

Also: Fred Jones. Told ya… Fred Jones + Q-Rich/Balkman in starting rotation = balance (see 4th quarter).

And Randolph is a beast.

Origin, ESPN is really bad, but the NYC papers make them seem like Ahmad Rashad covering Michael Jordan! They HATE Isiah with a passion… all because he doesn’t kiss their ass. The reporters ROOT for the Knicks to lose and couldn’t be more disappointed that they won tonight. He messed up their ready-made headlines.

Jones, I agree with and appreciate your distinction, they quit on THAT GAME. There is no debate about that,

As far as Marbury goes, it is important to remember how well he played in the second half of last year. If this season gets messed up, you can probably trace it back to the Marbury benching, so your point is well taken.

But it’s worrisome when we are talking about four times in the last five games against decent opponents (the Bulls excempted). The Knicks didn’t just lose to the Nuggets, Warriors, Pistons and Celtics; they threw in the towel early in each one of those games.

This is very similar to the situation under Larry Brown, and I was totally in favor of firing Brown. He wasn’t in touch with the players, and basically quit on them, so they quit on him.

I hope that isn’t the case here, because Isiah, as far as I can gather, hasn’t thrown in the towel on the players. But they are acting like they’ve quit.

We’ll have a better idea after the next two games. If they can’t turn it around at home….

I would argue that most teams quit games when getting blown out. Quit meaning, they realize they are not going to win regardless on what they do that night, so they give less than 100% effort. This is what I think you’re saying the rockets did last night (I didn’t see that game so I won’t argue the point) and i don’t think it’s that uncommon in blowouts. Heck, when a coach pulls his starters and plays the end of the bench, he’s essentially admitting defeat and has given up trying to win the game. And I think we would all argue that this is what the knicks did last night.

Now the larger question with the Knicks, is have they quit on their coach and on their season. Quit meaning have they already decided this season is worthless, so on a nightly basis they’re going to tune out Isiah and give less than 100%. Kenny Smith said they look like a lottery team playing out the stretch of the season. Now I don’t think this has happened yet, but it can happen (see Knicks under Larry Brown) and the way things are going the Knicks are in danger of this happening.

Yao gave little effect at all.

The only reason it was that close is because the warriors starting fing off and shooting 3s.

This team is going to win the championship.

So if the knicks quit on Zeke…..have the bulls been quiting on skiles??? When they were getting blown out.