The RELEVANT Martin Luther King, Jr.
Part 1: Vietnam or Iraq?
Part 2: Poverty and Race
Part 3: The Mountaintop Prescription
Part 4: Sports Writers Speak about MLK
MLK week is over, but we might take our ongoing “RELEVANT Martin Luther King Series” to April 4th and beyond! Positive, productive, and necessary dialogue should not be confined to one day, one week, one month, or one blog. As was
Part 1 (Vietnam or Iraq?)[1], today’s impetus comes from Michael Tillery and The Starting Five who wanted to "start a conversation". Well, let’s keep this conversation going. Along with some of my favorite sports writers — both alternative and mainstream — I was asked to participate in TSF’s “5 Questions to Take Advantage of a Black Sense of Urgency”. While you are strongly encouraged to read the extended discussion at TSF, we have reprinted full and partial response excerpts related only to the first question:
“What does Martin Luther King represent for you personally past, present and future?”
In the following 10 responses, the first five emphasize the power and influence of Dr. King while the latter five focus on sorting through Dr. King’s true identity. High tributes are offered as Tillery describes the symbolic meaning of the MLK Monument and Dan Le Batard tells us that MLK is the greatest leader in history. Vincent Goodwill discusses how he empowered blacks, Chris Broussard adds how he empowered whites, and Walik Edwards connects MLK’s past to the use of “N-Word” of today.
Sankofa didn’t initially take to MLK before concluding that he “wasn’t who he thought he was” . So who is MLK? Jemele Hill, says he was anything, but “soft”; that equality does NOT equal colorblindedness; and that King would likely be detested if he were still alive today. Dave Zirin notes that MLK was a global figure who connected the CRM and anti-poverty fight with his fierce and unpopular opposition to the Vietnam War. After adding my two cents, Temple3 brings it on home on the overriding principles of MLK, the OTHER half of the “I Have a Dream” speech, and why it is imperative that we all understand the last five years of his life that have been removed from popular history. Needless to say, I couldn’t agree more. Let’s get started.
Michael Tillery, Sports Writer – The Starting Five:
“…While making an appearance to help raise money for the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial, I asked Golden State Warrior forward Chris Webber how Dr. King affected him personally and he offered, “My parents made sure we knew of Dr. King’s legacy growing up. My mother was a teacher so there was no getting away from respecting his affect on our people and the nation as well. The only thing I can do with my “celebrity” to further his dream is to make sure I give kids–specifically Black boys–a positive role model to look up to. I’m not perfect, but I try to make sure I live my life in a way Dr. King wanted us all to.” One of the best moments of my life was November 13th, 2006. The MLK groundbreaking ceremony was special. MLK will be the first of his race to have a monument erected–between Jefferson and Lincoln–and the happiness seemingly on all the faces gave me a feeling similar to what I had during the Million Man March."
Admittedly, I was a little disappointed there weren’t more professional athletes present. I did see Bill Russell and Bill Walton, but no active players in any of the major sports. Its likely scheduling conflicts were an issue or athletes just weren’t invited, but a huge opportunity was lost that day for the three major sports leagues to affect change. I have a new found respect for Bill Walton. Walton was a prominent figure the entire day and in my opinion represented the NBA and his generation very well. Congresswoman Diane Watson shook me up a little when I asked her, Jesse Jackson or Dick Gregory could they ever see someone as great as MLK gracing our existence and Congresswoman Watson came with this response: “From the African proverb, there are always three spirits in the room: Those who came before, those who walk in the present and those yet unborn so those on earth can have justice they deserve as a people. I want to say this, all great messengers have left this earth in their thirties. Think about it. Jesus and others who brought a message. Once that message was delivered, they were taken back to be with God. So please understand how important this day is and the monument as well.”
Dan Le Batard, Sports Writer, Miami Herald/ESPN the Mag; Radio host; & ESPN TV personality
Not just the greatest African-American leader ever, but in the discussion of greatest leader, period — any time, any place, any country, any ethnicity. Greatest orator of my lifetime. Astounding bravery. Peaceful beyond human reason. Deserves a place on a more modern Mount Rushmore. An enduring and echoing greatness that should require genuflection from any person in this country, not just any black person. But his dream remains deferred. I’m not sure how he would feel if he looked around today. You have to wonder if he’d ask, “Seriously? We’re not equal ital:yet:ital?”
…for a man [Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.] to come along and believe that he could change that in one generation – nonviolently at that! – was simply amazing. He and his followers were inspired by belief in God’s Word rather than discouraged by belief in the White man’s power. We’ve got to get back to that as a people. So when I look at all the things plaguing us as a people today – seemingly insurmountable obstacles such as 70% of Black children being raised in single-parent households, the growing prison industrial complex, outrageously high Black male unemployment rates, a changing global economy that seems to be leaving us behind, continuing racism, etc… – I try to have the same faith Dr. King had and believe that with God, even the seemingly impossible is possible (that wasn’t just a cliché’ to Dr. King).
Dr. King also represents unity. Man, how I long for African-Americans to display the same unity and fortitude we showed during the Movement. All the movements of that era: Civil Rights, nationalist and Black Power. Not a unity that attempts to bring Whites down, but a unity that attempts to lift Blacks up. To be pro-Black is not synonymous with being anti-White. Finally, we often think of Dr. King as merely a Black hero, but Whites owe him a major debt of gratitude as well. Mainstream White society, particularly in the South, was incredibly sick back then. When you read about and watch in films how they treated and regarded Black folks, it’s almost unfathomable that seemingly civilized people could be so prideful, hateful and torturous. While they regarded Blacks as less than human, they were actually the ones behaving like animals devoid of rational thought. Dr. King’s work went a long way in humanizing them, and even though he couldn’t necessarily put love and fairness in their hearts, he did put a degree of fairness and justice in their laws. In the grand scheme, with an Almighty God judging us all for how we treat our fellow man, Whites (not just Blacks) need to be thankful as all get out that Dr. King helped deliver them.
MLK was somebody to fight for. I was one of the people who did the loud screaming, stomping and etc. in Arizona when they decided that having a Martin Luther King Day was irrelevant. It only became relevant when their Super Bowl privileges were being threatened. Can’t lose that Super Bowl can we, Sun Folk.”
Whenever I hear the “N” word justified in some ignorant way (spelling, term of endearment, etc.), I think of MLK and all of the non-violent folks who were hung, incarcerated, ridiculed, and tormented because of that word, and oh yeah, the perpetrators didn’t care how the word was spelled.
Can you imagine? “Hey, Nigger! What’choo doin’ around here?! Grab his black ass!”
As he’s about to be hung from a tree, the black man says, “I’m not a Nigger, sir, but a Nigga.”
“He’s got a point.”
“Alright, boys. Get that noose from around his neck! We’re sorry for the misunderstandin’.”
If you use the word, you can’t say you respect Dr. King. The two don’t go hand-in-hand. You have to follow the man’s words all the way.
Sankofa, Writer Black My-story
"Growing up in Jamaica in the 60’s during the rise of the African conscious movement in the Corporate United States and the Rastafarian movement at home, I was conditioned towards a particular mindset. The postcolonial knee-grow factory and the legacy of the latent colonial worldview of Anglo -Saxon on top and African at the bottom experiencing disenfranchisement and poverty made my peers and I rebellious. The first book of substance I ever read was the “young Warriors,” an account of the rights of passage of young Maroon warriors during the British-Maroon wars. …By the time I read my second book of substance as a high schooler – the Autobiography of Malcolm X, followed by Soul on Ice, my path was set. Therefore when Martin Luther King came with his movement and speeches on non-violence and living as one, my African fist, clinched in an iron glove wasn’t hearing any of that. It was not but decades later, after more in depth reading on MLK, particularly after his opposition to the Vietnam invasion and studying Vernon John (his predecessor at Ebenezer Baptist) did I have an appreciation for MLK and his moral and physical courage. He is the kind of Christian I can appreciate because he walked the walk after talking the talk and gave his life so that others may live."
I’ve always felt affection toward MLK, but in my later years I’ve learned that while Martin preached a message of turning the other cheek, he wasn’t soft. MLK could have been our next president because he united disenfranchised groups and empowered them. His legacy has, sadly, been romanticized to fit racist agendas. People don’t understand he preached EQUALITY, which is a lot different than color blind-ed-ness. Being colorblind suggest everyone is the same. But we don’t really want that kind of America. We should want an America that recognizes, preaches, understands and learns from different cultures. It’s most important that America give equal opportunity and respect to all peoples. That is what MLK stood for. MLK didn’t hold his tongue. He wasn’t soft. He spoke for the underclass. …Unfortunately, if he were alive today, they’d probably castigate him like they do Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They would call him a whiner and a race baiter. But if you read through his speeches, you’ll see MLK wasn’t playing around and I just find it interesting that the mainstream has made him into this benign, transcendent figure. Yes, he loved all people — white, black, yellow or green. But he stood up for what he believed in. He represented those who couldn’t represent themselves and gave a voice to the speechless. We’ve made his legacy one that doesn’t insult or offend, but trust me, if he were alive today, he wouldn’t be giving everyone the message they wanted to hear. He’d be giving them the message they needed to hear."
He represents something pure, a standard that cannot be touched, but can be used as a goal. For the past, he strived for something most thought was unattainable. If he stayed alive, maybe he could’ve been president or opened doors from people like Barack Obama quicker. We, as black people have also had a greater sense of pride, actually, he helped us develop a sense of pride, a sense of tolerance, a sense of humanity in an inhumane world. He was the greatest speaker, the most compassionate, the greatest visionary I’ve read about or seen in my limited time here. He didn’t want us as blacks to stand above or below. He wanted us to be equal and act as such, instead of being second-rate citizens. He wanted a smart black man to be looked at as something other than an anomaly, but as the rule. He gave ME a chance to have a voice.
"Dr. King stands as the embodiment of three ideas that I believe are essential to any analysis of social change. The first is the idea that change doesn’t begin in the back rooms of Washington DC but in the struggles of ordinary people – as they become extraordinary through struggle. We know and remember Dr. King precisely because thousands upon thousands of people whose names we will never know, fought in the streets for a better world. The second idea is that the fight against racism can’t be separated from the fight for economic justice and against poverty. At the time of his death, King was immersed in the Poor People’s Campaign, and his assassination of course went down in Memphis where he was providing solidarity to striking sanitation workers. He said, “There is no point in being able to sit at a lunch counter if you cannot afford a cup of coffee."
"And lastly, King understood and was vocal about the fact that the fight against racism at home could not be separated from fighting the US empire abroad. In his famous 1967 speech at Riverside Church, Dr. King said, “We were taking the Black young men who had been crippled by our society and sending them 8,000 miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools… I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today–my own government. He made this point at great personal cost. The Washington Post said that Dr. King had “diminished his usefulness to his cause, his country, his people.” Time magazine described his words “demagogic slander.”
"I agree with those who say that MLK is the greatest American our country ever produced. Hundreds of years from now, his writings and speeches will hold up because at his core he is not just a leader but a philosopher. That is why unlike other American in history he is a global figure that transcends our country. For me he represents a man of ACTION. I use that word deliberately because, unfortunately the mainstream media has basically reduced him to little more than a “dreamer” by manipulating a couple of lines in his most famous speech. Author Michael Eric Dyson expounds on this point quite well in “The True Martin Luther King, Jr.” And the strategic and moral leadership that MLK provided during the Civil Rights Movement was nothing short of extraordinary. From that period in his life “The Letter From a Birmingham Jail” is probably my favorite piece… It is the post-Civil Rights Act King that is most relevant to our times today. Whether it was his views on the Vietnam War, combatting poverty, or black economic empowerment. These are messages that matter now. Unfortunately they are also messages that have been written out of popular history and children’s textbooks. This is quite unfortunate because I believe that MLK, despite being so famous is completely misunderstood.…"
Temple3, Sports Writer and Social Commentator
"In graduate school, I coordinated a rather large conference to celebrate Dr. King’s legacy. Our celebrations were unconventional to say the least. The focus was never strictly on segregation. Segregation was a tactic. Slavery was a tactic. Red-lining is a tactic. Redistricting is a tactic. Voter intimidation is a tactic. Too little attention has been paid to the principle which unified these various tactics over time and space. Moreover, too little attention has been paid to viable solutions. Our celebrations/conferences, then, focused on solutions and predicting tactics based on dynamic conditions. Those solutions were always framed in economic, political, environmental and cultural terms. My perspective of Dr. King is not widely shared in the United States. Most persons and institutions continue to focus on a singular speech made in 1963. There is no question that it was a great moment in the history of American rhetoric. Nonetheless, for many reasons, our national media, schools and information centers continue to focus on the second half of the speech. The first half of the speech passes in relative silence year after year after year. If this great speech could be formally divided into two halves, the first segment might have been entitled, “I Live a Nightmare.”
"Dr. King’s nightmare was etched in vivid detail. He speaks of his ancestors being seared in the withering flames of injustice. This description is as figurative as it is literal. Thousands of Africans were burned alive for reasons ranging from curiosity to capriciousness. This is part of Dr. King’s 1963 address. So too are references to manacles, narrow jail cells, police brutality, poverty and entrenched efforts to dehumanize and justify years of moral turpitude. Dr. King warned the nation that the summer of 1963 was part of a continuum – that it was not the beginning or end of a movement. He was right. He also set preconditions for America becoming a great nation. He spoke not merely of suppressed voting rights in Mississippi, but the absence of authentic political choice in New York. This is part of Dr. King’s1963 address. There is a great deal more to this speech than generally meets the ear. America’s perpetual need to feel good (as if a drug-induced stupor would actually resuscitate him or do service to his memory) has obliterated half of this speech and the last five years of his life. In 1963, Dr. King was the most visible face of a people subjected to terrorism by the state and wide factions of the public. He was killed by the concerted actions of that state and the public. He lived a nightmare – and in many respects, he never saw the sun."
"As for the future, I believe it is imperative that Black folk and persons of goodwill do the work of understanding the last five years of his life. If you are talking to young people about Dr. King and all you know is that he “had a dream” and that he opposed segregation, it’s time to do some work. I strongly suggest reading “Why We Can’t Wait” and “Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community.”
Final Note: Oddly enough, it was a college professor of mine who also chose “Why We Can’t Wait” to introduce myself and other students to King. This small paperback served as an initial primer that led to new pathways in my mind, an array of new books on my shelf (MLK and way beyond), and new perspectives that could never be reversed: Perspectives that my high school teachers; my daily environment; and my peers would unwittingly conspire to keep me as racially ignorant as possible. And my professor must have known this as MLK wrote “Why We Can’t Wait” as if he was explaining something to a white 5-year old, yet without condescension. Yet the truth was that at age 20, my historical racial IQ WAS that of a five year old – at best. So it occurs to me that for those fellow whites who had not had any life-changing professors, that they – and their children– start with Temple’s recommendations. …Once again, it is recommended that you read the entire original TSF post which is also includes the FULL responses, commentary on Tiger-Kelly, and the educational future of our nation’s youth.
– Charles Modiano
MODI –
LeBatard is wrong. He’s really, really, really, really wrong. As significant as Dr. King was and continues to be, he was not the greatest leader Black folks have had. That’s part of the problem with our history. We don’t need folks like LeBatard trying to set the script when I am quite certain he could not sit down and have more than a 3 second conversation about how asinine it would be to compare King to Garvey or many others.
Sometimes, mugs need to know when to shut the fuck up and pass the mike…or simply say – “I don’t have a goddamn clue.”
BTW –
That does not mean I dislike Dan or don’t appreciate his work or even his sentiment here. I like his work and appreciate his sentiment, but the comment is simply absurd and has no historical context whatsoever.
Is the comparison pool between Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the misunderstood and ignored Minister El Hajj Malik el-Shabazz? Does it include local mayors like David Dinkins and Harold Washington?
If folks can’t speak about the pantheon that includes folks like Henry Highland Garnet, Martin R. Delany, Booker T. Washington, DuBois (all the way until his death in 1963 in Ghana), Garvey, Elijah Muhammad, A. Philip Randolph, and Ida Wells (who did it all without the benefit of television), they need to simply avoid this topic and resist the temptation to skew our history.
Temple3>
I think that’s part of the problem, though. You go into a school, and they don’t teach you about anybody but Eli Whitney, MLK, and Harriet Tubman. This is how the power brokers wanted it. Why teach the students about all the contributions that African Americans have made to this country? If they were to do that, then you’d have more proud brothers and sisters who would challenge the power structure more and there would be less workers that corporate America could just tell what to do.
T3, my reading of Le Batard was not that he was saying that Dr. King was the greatest leader “Black folks have had” — those were YOUR words.
…he was saying that King was the greatest LEADER… Not “black folks” greatest leader, or even “America’s” greatest leader. Dan wasn’t being race-specific, country specific, or time specific. …In the extended interview at TSF, Dan actually did “pass the mike” a couple of times on what he perceived to be “race-specific” commentary (i.e. see Tiger question). This fact also supports that he was not viewing MLK through a racial or national lens.
Dan seemed to be deliberately trying “de-confine” King as merely “a black leader”, or “a Civil Rights leader” or even “an American leader” that he is often perceived as — especially amongst whites.
Now I have absolutely no idea of Dan’s knowledge of great leaders or criteria that he uses to interpret “leader”, but you could easily argue that no one but a handful of historians are really qualified to pontificate about the “world’s greatest leader”. In that case millions who have fingered “Jesus” as the greatest leader but failed to read other religious texts are guilty of the same sort of recklessness.
T3, you do raise another question on criteria? Assuming everyone is equally a scholar, how would you identify “worlds greatest leader”?
– ability to move masses?
– consistency with personal ideology?
– trandscending time?
– transcending nation or space?
– influence on others after you?
What is your criteria?
MODI:
I wouldn’t rank leaders because it’s such a dangerous game. We’re talking about the lives of men and women here. It’s just not wise to play a ranking game before we’ve surrendered more than a few Friday and Saturday nights to delve deeply into their work, their successes, their failures and often times, their murders.
Leaders, though, have to be assessed based on the directives of their efforts. Not every leader seeks to lead the masses. Not every leader will be ideologically consistent. There are many ways to “rank” people – but the work is not in the ranking…it’s in the library.
MODI:
Dan said of Dr. King, “Not just the greatest African-American leader ever,” I believe that settles it. He went there. I don’t believe he should have.
The very idea that being a black leader constrains King is so deeply embedded in white supremacist notions of particularity that it warrants another discussion. I don’t have the time to go into that – but MLK didn’t need a “ghetto rescue” from open-minded white folk to expand the significance of his life…
He needs to be understood in the context of the life he lived…after all – how many international/universal/we are the world/white libruls love us/allthingstoallpeopleatalltimes leaders go to their death calling for BLACK people to strengthen BLACK institutions in order to wield more economic power and redistribute pain?
That’s what MLK did. That’s what folks will miss until the people he spoke to, through and for implement his dying wishes.
Folks,
“Dan Le Bateur” really exposed himself here. In fact, he exposed what many from the ethnic intelligentsia have come to understand about the “Liberal Majority”. In the name of Political Correctness, many of the “Liberal Majority” hoist praise on a “chosen” person and/or ride a “certain someone” just to cater to/appease the “Liberal Majority”. Where was “Le Bateur” during the whole King experience? What was his perception then? Is his assessment now more like revisionist glorification or just more of the annual media masturbation of the Black masses? There once was a man named Toussaint L’Ouverture. There once was a man named Haile Selassi. There once was a woman named Anacarona. There once was a man named Marcus Garvey. There once was a man named Muhatma Ghandi. There once was man named Mwalimu Julius Nyerere. There is a man named Nelson Mandela. I submit that the assessment of the leader is all about the leadership space filled in time by the assessed leader. Le Bateur was beating his gums and keys. He ought to know better than to make such a broadside generalization coming straight out of his rear broad side.
“He needs to be understood in the context of the life he lived…after all – how many international/universal/we are the world/white libruls love us/allthingstoallpeopleatalltimes leaders go to their death calling for BLACK people to strengthen BLACK institutions in order to wield more economic power and redistribute pain?”
Not too many I suppose! We agree that MLK, needs to be understood in the context of the life he lived — perhaps starting with the full “Mountaintop Speech”. Having stated that, there is a very special quality about a leader who transcends the specifics of their time/place because their principles of social justice can be applied elsewhere.
(and let me just clear up that when I state “principles of justice”, I am not speaking to the “non-violence” principle, one that few people on the planet hold as purely as the likes Dr. King or Ghandi. Personally I don’t believe in “non-violence” or violence as any kind of absolute “principle”, but only as a practical strategy to be chosen depending on the specific situation — the only caveat being the latter is last possible alternative.)
T3, your “ghetto rescue” point is well taken. And fair enough on leader ranking “being a dangerous game”. But then you could easily argue that it is still a dangerous game no matter how many weekends one spends in the library — not that such action isn’t worthy.
Steady, always good to hear from you. My guess is that Le Batard was probably being born around the time MLK died. He looks about 40 years old to me. Anyway, I take it that you are also against “leader ranking” or is it just “uninformed leader ranking”…
It’s been a while…
I must take issue with Steady
As a someone who was/is a Leader, Inspiration, Character, Sacrificed/Subjugated his own life for the collective good only Mandela and Ghandi can be spoken in the same sentence with MLK. In my life’s experience these are the three people who have affected the most positively the lives of more people in the world. That is Leadership!
While leaders like Haile Selassi, and Mwalimu Julius Nyerere were inspirational in post colonial Africa their legacies are frought with self serving, self dealing and their gross mis management lead to the deaths of many hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.
One always has to be careful to separate Political Leadership (which have roots in Power and Egoism) with just plain Leadership (which have roots in Sacrifice, Healing and Bringing people together)
I give LeBatard much credit as I sense he is bright enough and articulate enough to see these differences. Frankly, I think that LeBatard is the most inciteful of all of the sports journalists (black, white, hispanic or asian) when it comes to issues of race and how they affect/skew behaviour.
ooo, it HAS been a long time! I think that you missed something like 53 Knicks posts along the way… you are probably better off considering how things have gone
– again, I think the “greatest leader discussionâ€, if it is going to be had at all, is dependent on what criteria one values most.
– on the subject of “insightful” (I’m assuming “inciteful” was a typo) I would recommend that you check out the blogs AND comment sections at Sports On My Mind http://dwil.wordpress.com/ and The Starting Five http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/ for starters
“Having stated that, there is a very special quality about a leader who transcends the specifics of their time/place because their principles of social justice can be applied elsewhere.”
Honestly, I believe a great deal of this is a question of beauty and context being “in the eye of the beholder.” One could argue the specific thing that made Dr. King transcendent were 1) television (the first VISUAL exposure of white supremacist brutality in a purported democracy) and 2) that the CRM was neither about land nor full economic justice.
America thought they made a major concession, but that’s hardly the case. It’s hard to be transcendent when the bulk of your movement and your lived agenda never actually addressed the most pressing needs of your constituents. And it is precisely this juxtaposition which makes part of his legacy so attractive to corporations and liberals; and so challenging for poor, dispossessed Black folk.
There is nothing easy here. Social justice is a red-herring. Blacks in the American South and significant portions of the American North lived in a TERRORIST STATE while having their life, land, labor and liberty appropriated. This collective was not in need, principally, of social justice. This group was in need of a permanent solution to a SECURITY CRISIS occasioned by the unbridled imposition of white citizens – under the sanction of state and federal law and force.
Subsequent to a permanent solution to the security crisis, that collective needed a sustainable economic and political solution to maintain the livelihood of its constituents. SOCIAL Justice would follow OR NOT after these three preconditions were met. The order is all jacked up – and that’s why people have so little understanding of how a people who achieved so much still have so far to go.
If a permanent solution to the security crisis was achieved, two problems would cease to exist from American blacks: drug trafficking by territorial gangs and police brutality. Similarly, economic and political solutions could have addressed problems of single-parent families, land tenure, union membership, political redistricting and much more. Most of this agenda (framed brilliantly by leaders like Adam Clayton Powell and A. Philip Randolph when Dr. King was a figment of his father’s imagination) has been left for others to complete — and few of Dr. King’s colleagues have dared walk this path.
Temple, yes — I agree that a great deal of what makes “a great leader” known in history has nothing more to do with timing and luck of being in the right place, in the right era, at the right time. I’m sure that there are countless leaders whose names are unknown who could have been household names with a few different surrounding circumstances that allowed then to flourish. So yes, you are right that television played a huge role in the CRM, but it is also true that MLK and other clearly recognized the power of the medium and their strategy specifically took this into account. A specific example, would be having children on the frontlines — a move that was very controversial even amongst his closest colleagues.
I think some of our disconnect is around language as I am using (and perhaps misusing) the term “social justice” to include the security crisis AND economic and political justice under a broader umbrella of equality. …The problem with MLK’s legacy in my mind is only that it has distorted. The CRM was merely one step in a process that included economic and political equality.
Yes, this discussion is in “the eye of the beholder”. Amongst other thing history is kindest to those that can point to tangible results that can also be pointed to like the south’s desegregation and the 1964 CRA. usually, when the leader discussions comes up, the tangible progress tend to get the most attention. That is why a strong argument can easily be made for Freddrick Douglass as America’s greatest leader. Also, to me moral consistency is also important whether it be King opposing the Vietnam war or Douglass being one of the foremosts champions for women’s rights and suffrage.
OOO,
I read the issues you raised with Steady. But first, are you saying insightful or inciteful? Bateur is French for beater so are you agreeing that Dan is beating his readers into a frenzy from the scandalous opinions he profers? My play on his name was an indication that I saw little insight–just Liberal Majority coddling.
From your comment:
[While leaders like Haile Selassi, and Mwalimu Julius Nyerere were inspirational in post colonial Africa their legacies are frought with self serving, self dealing and their gross mismanagement lead to the deaths of many hundreds of thousands of their own citizens.]
To which “leaders like them” do you refer OOO? Who was a leader, like Mwalimu Nyerere, that healed a nation of some 175 ethnic groups and languages into one of national pride unified by Swahili? Jomo Kenyata–sure not holding up today. Milosovich? King Leopold of Belgium with the Wallons, Francais et Flamands? You can’t seriously tell me that Nyerere ran off with money. I was with the man three months before his death. He died almost a pauper with one small house in his home village. Up until the end he worled to heal the Hutu-Tutsi ethnic divide in Burundi. His Nyerere Foundation was getting grants from USAID to broker a peace plan in the region. I know OOO, because I was there.
Dan LeBatard can only do a bit of research before coming out with these GOAT proclamations. That is so American for him or any of his apologists to suggest there is great insight in such acts or what he wrote (& was reposted) here.
To your next comment:
[One always has to be careful to separate Political Leadership (which have roots in Power and Egoism) with just plain Leadership (which have roots in Sacrifice, Healing and Bringing people together)]
Even you pulled out Mandella from the list of other leaders that rival the historical net effect of Dr. King, Jr. What about King’s manly shortcomings? We never heard about Ghandi’s or Mandella’s (though they must certainly exist because they were hu/men). Do those weaknesses get factored into this GOAT equation? I read Stogdill, Bennis, Etzioni, Tsu, Machiavelli, Green and so many others on leadership. I would need to read more OOO before I digest what is posted here. I can also pull out Selassi and even Nkrumah as being leaders who were on a completely different sphere/planet/context when they displayed their art of leadership. They were leaders on a whole nother level. How they ruled and how their country turned out after their demise should be viewed through geopolitical lenses as opposed to sportswriters’ GOAT quick top 10 list or famous for what he meant to me. Clearly there is much more that can be said here or much more that I can learn in this exchange. Even myself, I have callously suspended my subscription to the axiom: “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to speak inciteful bunk and remove all doubt.” As consolation, you may have the last word OOO.
“Clearly there is much more that can be said here or much more that I can learn in this exchange.”
Steady, I can certainly learn more from these exchanges which is why they are valuable. Your exchanges are always appreciated and educational for me — as is this one. …ultimately, temple is right about “rankings”. They can be arrogant, uninformed and reckless (guilty!), however, have a small redeeming quality of stimulating an important discussions that might not happen otherwise.
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I also have a general rule for grading sportswriters. I go out of my way not to judge them on their worst day, worst column, or worst sentence. (Otherwise I would not like everybody — including myself) When reviewing DLB’s large body of work I believe that he is a credit to the profession.
He is one of the very few non-black sportswriters (note: DLB is Cuban) who writes with any sense of social consciousness whatsoever. But even when he is not writing about social affairs, he brings up many great points missed by other sportswriters. He definitely dumbs himself down for PTI and radio (which might be a prerequisite). Having reviewed much of his work, I would say that it is his bi-weekly columns in ESPN the mag where he is clearly at his best. Usually one “food for thought” topic that is well thought out and contrarian to popular belief.
Ok, since Steady has allowed me the last word, I’ll take it.
(btw this is a blog, and sometimes I type quickly and do not proofread, but I think MODI recognized correctly that I meant to label LeBatard is insightful, thx for the correction)
Now, while I do admire many of Africa’s post colonial leaders: Nyerere, in Tanzania, Selassi in Ethiopia, Nkrumah in Ghana, to be specific. They were all inspirational people, and for the most part had good intentions. Unfortunately they were horrible managers of their respective economies, which they each left in tatters.
Steady,
I understand that you may have had a personal relationship with the man, and Nyerere did help to bring his people out of illiteracy, get drinking water, etc. The reality is that the bulk of this was a result of the more than $3 billion of foreign aid that poured into Tanzania during the early 70’s. (granted, Nyerere did not steal the money as did most of his peers, but not stealing foreign aid certainly doesn’t qualify as economic leadership)
Since we have the luxury of hindsight, it is pretty clear that Nyerere’s ideological zeal to create a socialist state, his “Arusha Declaration†resulted in
- mass nationalizations of previously efficiently run enterprises that were subsequently run into the ground,
- forced resettlement of some 11 million people into ujamaa villages (yes, I said FORCED)
- the detention of his political critics using “Tanzania’s Preventive Detention Actâ€
- a defacto one party state in which the Press was muzzled
Furthermore, the reason he died a pauper is that his experiment in socialism ground the country’s economy to a halt and severely de-valued its currency until it was virtually worthless.
By the way, I do agree, The Nyerere Foundation was fantastic at getting foreign aid. Unfortunately Tanzania needed a leader who could develop and maintain a vibrant economy, not one who could translate Shakespearean plays into Swahili and get grants from USAID.
Steady,
What Peace are you referring to? Haven’t you seen what has happened post Nyerere, Nkrumah, and Selassi on the African continent. Yes, it may have been cool during the 70’s to get high, and to dream about how great Socialism might be. The reality is, however, that millions of Africans suffered because of the inept leadership that was the lot of each and every country on the continent, post colonialism.
What separates Ghandi, Mandela and King from the people on your list, is that they were content to provide inspirational and moral leadership. As such, they were able to serve as a moral compass for their respective Political Leaders. This allowed competent Political Leaders to subsequently come forward and be elected in their respective countries. Because Ghandi, Mandela and King all understood that they could do the most for their people by staying out of the Political Process.
Ok. I am done!
OOO,
Useful contribution here. You have issued the last word here. Still, I’m curious as to why you included Mandela in the example of King and Ghandi as moral compasses. Did you not mean Tutu (in that case) since Mandella was elected President and so he occupied Political office?
Clearly the debate/dialogue has morphed. There’s much that can be said about international aid and its impact on countries and the geopolitical nuances at play throughout. Yet and still, it seems like America has lost its moral compass. ML King, Jr. is clearly missed on that front. Curious as to who you think fills in that gaping void in the American landscape.
True that. Mandela was elected President, but really his role was more Ceremonial than Managerial. He very much deferred the governance of S.A. to others who are/were more capable.
I didn’t think this a few months ago, but I think Barak has the capability of being truly transformative. I realize his political aspirations completely negate my previous commentary regarding selflessness and staying out of the Political arena so everything I say about him must be taken with a grain of salt. I do think that the checks and balances inherent in the US style Democracy prevent serial mismanagement of the Economy. (although GWB has done his best to debunk this)
Anyway. Because of his morality, a Barak Presidency would change the lens through which the rest of the world views America. Now whether the political establishment (that he would command) could take advantage of this opportunity, I don’t know? Hopefully he would not prove to be driven by ego like every other politician.
Sadly, the World stage seems to be completely devoid of that Truly Inspirational Leader.
Unless you count Tupac.
OOO,
Oprah appears to be angling for that inspirational/guru title. Her media machine has grown exponentially giving her a Midas touch. Still, I was surprised to read a CNN poll indicating her net negative effect on the Obama endorsement. GWB and the TMZ/YouTube world that can post online immediately the transgression of (fill-in the name of any holier than thou moral authority) make the argument moot.
ooo,
I’m with you in that, Obama’s greatest asset might be his ability change how we are viewed abroad. The hate and damage done has been incredible and I don’t see anyone more qualified than him to undo at least part of this damage. For that alone it is worth voting him in.
Now I am much more skeptical domestically as he is still beholden to many of the interests that fund him and other Dems. And while his deliberate avoidance of all issues perceived as “racial” could be maddening (i.e. nothing really to say about Jena 6), I do understand that the man is trying to get himself elected and what that probably entails. I could only hope that he is much more deliberate in combatting institutional racism if elected. I don’t know.
However, the encouraging thing is that he is bringing in thousands of new voters into the political process and that is a huge factor unto itself.
Speaking of Obama and inspirational, have y’all seen this…
http://www.yeswecansong.com
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