
The left jab. If used correctly, it is still the most effective punch in boxing. Larry Holmes career was built off of it. Lennox Lewis protected his weak chin with it. Ali made Frazier eat 5-10 of them as the price of admission to throw his left hook. And it was the left jab that middleweight Kelly Pavlik rode to victory in his 12 round decision against Jermaine Taylor.
Kelly Pavlik is for Real. Not because he knocked out Taylor in his first fight, but because he didn’t in his second fight. We already knew that he had punching power. But this time he was forced to rely on boxing acumen against a skilled fighter. Enter Pavlik’s methodical left jab. Taylor — a solid champion in his own right — fought a much more disciplined fight the second time around and controlled the early going. For the first time in his career Pavlik heard the sound "Round 11" or "Round 12". But the fight went Pavlik’s way because it was Taylor, and not Pavlik who was fading in the last few rounds. In the end the fight was closer than the scorecards indicated. Even still, Pavlik showed that the first fight was no fluke.
Kelly Pavlik is Not for Real: Beware the new champion who wins his first two championship fights against the same opponent. Vernon Forrest owns Sugar Shane, but Mosely is still the better fighter. Ricardo Mayorga owns Forrest, but can’t beat any other top opponent (please, Fernando Vargas was washed up). Andrew Golota burst on the scene with a double-domination/disqualification against Riddick Bowe, but it has been downhill since. We all know that "styles make fights" and that some fighters simply have another fighter’s number. Is this the case with Pavlik-Taylor? If I have to choose, I would guess that Pavlik is for real supported by his impressive win over Edison Miranda. How Pavlik might do against more polished and "scientific" veterans like Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins, or Joe Calzaghe remains to be seen — but the opportunity has been earned. And you can bet others will be negotiating with Pavlik. And you can bet that you know why.
Great White Hope? Will Pavlik help boxing? Well, on some degree I resent that I am even asking the question because the middleweight and lower divisions have been incredible the last few years. Great/solid middleweights and welterweights have included Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Floyd Mayweather, Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, De La Hoya, Sugar Shane, Antonio Margarito, Ricky Hatton, Kermit Cintron, and more. Career ending acts by Felix Trinidad, Vargas, Mayorga, and Arturo Gatti have also added excitement even if their skills were lacking or eroded. I’m not even including the lightweights as Manny Pacquiao might be my favorite fighter to watch and I’d pay to see Morales-Barrera 36 in a old-folks home if they set that fight up.
But Pavlik brings something new to the party that those fighters don’t. He is a white American boxer. And we need to be plain and just tell it like it is. I’ve read one too many articles about Pavlik’s "humble beginnings" and "blue collar roots" from Youngstown, Ohio. (note: Taylor is from Little Rock, Arkansas) It is time these writers just come out and say it: Pavlik is a white American boxer. And Pavlik is good. And there are few things more marketable than a good white American boxer. Sure, part of it is the novelty factor, but I suspect that more of it goes beyond mere novelty. So how will I feel if Pavlik raises interest in a sport that shouldn’t need him to raise interest. I don’t know. I’m still working through that one… but I’m inclined to take the trade-off. Besides the heavyweights, boxing is healthy across the other divisions and if Pavlik gets other fighters more attention (and more money), then I guess that I am for it. He has also earned a pay day or two for himself.





AWB- UH, Zab Judah? This guy was an OVERRATED super lightweight. This guy was TKO’ed by Tszyu. Stop the BULLSHIT, already. 7 other welterweigh would kick Zab’s ass up and down the block. The guy aint that good. Oscar is washed up. Stop bringing him up. There are 7 welterweights who would kick Oscar’s ass as well. Ricky Hatton isn’t a welterweight. Luis Collazo proved that. Henry Bruseles was a tough fighter? The guy is recognized as Cotto’s sparring partner! Are you on drugs too? You are talking about fighters and knowledge, but you show little knowledge. Bruseles is nothing more than a glorified club fighter. The Americanized term for Bruseles is TOMATO CAN! Fighting a WASHED UP Oscar is COWARDLY. Oscar would get KO’ed by Clottey, Cintron, Cotto, Williams, Quintana (perhaps) and Margarito. Oscar is an older version of Avoid Gayfeather. There isn’t a tough fighter on Oscar’s resume over the last 4 years. Avoid AVOIDED Margarito, because Margarito would KILL Avoid in less than 12 rounds. If Avoid fought Margarito, it would be a HUMILIATING experience. Avoid ain’t EVER fighting Cotto, Margarito, Quintana, nor Cintron. These guys would shut that boy’s lights out in less than 8 rounds.
DAVIDMAC- Sorry, but Roy Jones Jr. wasn’t a draw. He BEGGED for PPV fights and his paydays were pretty laughable. Jones Jr. was one of these fighters who fought pancakes and waffles. The man was awful. It was Darius who made significantly more money fighting across seas and he was a formidable cash cow who would have been taking an ENORMOUS cut in pay to fight Jones. It’s the same old theme when it comes to American boxing. American boxing has been non-existant for the greater parts of two decades, yet American fight fans don’t recognize significant talents from other parts of the world because they don’t see them fight. Fighters in this country then line up garbage to make themselves look good at the expense of boxing. Jones Jr. is one of the reasons for this disaster. Him along with Hopkins, and a few others with their extremely hesitant habit of fighting guys who aren’t a threat in the ring and boring the crowds by not taking risks in fights that are considered dangerous.
Kelly Pavlik looks to be one of the few American fighters who can make things happen for boxing. His style is exciting and he has already fought tougher fights than many of the aforementioned American champs discussed on this topic.
Okori, I won’t dismiss Floyd-Cotto happening. If one year from now both are still undefeated and the dollar figure for a match keeps rising Floyd will do it. Floyd will follow the money. Speaking of which… if that fight actually happens I will be more than happy to put my money where my mouth is… Okori? Jimmy? Anyone else? Are you game?
– I’ve rarely said this, but cosign DMac at 93. And like awb says why doesn’t a “blown up Mayeather” get no love while everyone else gets a deep analysis about their optimal fighting weight…
– Forget RJJ-Darius, I would have loved to see RJJ-Joe C. years ago…
“Males shouldn’t be jealous that’s a female trait.”
– Sean Carter aka Jay-Z; “Heart Of The City (Ain’t No Love)”
MODI,
Let’s also not forget that PBF’s history of hand problems, also.
SJ, I’ve mentioned PBF’s hand problems many times in these comments. It was a major factor on why the first Castillo fight was so close. …but if 25 million for a Cotto fight comes next year, I doubt that he’ll worry about his hands
Modi: I have no money.
I work for a social work agency that catches ACS cases. I barely pay my rent.
However…. I’d agree to a bet of some kind. But i don’t have money.
OH JESUS with the hand excuses for AVOID GAYFEATHER..LOL. Hand problems against Castillo my ass. Castillo was simply a REAL FIGHTER who gave AVOID problems. Just accept it for what it is. What’s the puzzle?
There is 1 reason why Avoid doesn’t want to fight Cotto and it’s called a lack of BALLS.
This how DESPERATE American fight fans are for a “great fighter” from the States. They have to settle for a CHUMP like GAYFEATHER, who uses MONEY as an excuse not to fight legit competition! I don’t understand how people just continue to give Avoid this free ride to alleged greatness! Why is it that ALL these great champions don’t pussyfoot around competition like Avoid does? Run a list of these guys over the last 20 years. Trinidad, Oscar, Chavez, Whitaker, Klitschkos, Calzaghe, Tarver, Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao, Cotto, Erik Morales, Ike Quartey, Terry Norris, Sugar Shane Mosley, Kostya Tzsyu, Ricky Hatton, Azuman Nelson, Simon Brown….How is it possible for ALL these fighters to fight the best and yet Avoid gets this free pass for fighting a collection of BUMS over the last 5 years? It’s really astonishing how boxing fans here in America have LOWERED the standards for their fighters. Avoid Gayfeather is a COMPLETE DISGRACE to American Boxing, yet you have guys who celebrate his “greatness” at 140 and 147….LAUGHABLE INDEED!
i said it before and I’ll say it again….. relax Jimmy. you’re among friends here. Sheesh.
and i’d like to say that Floyd isn’t nearly as bad as you think he is Jimmy. He is unquestionably in the P4P top 2. I prefer Pacquiao over him but that’s a style thing. Relax man.
Jimmy I am so sick of you Brits hating on the US. Enough is enough.Your pride and joy, Hatton aready got that ass spanked, once the overrated Calzaghe gets beaten by Hopkins, hopefully you all will calm down with hating on US fighters.
While we are on frauds, what’s up wuth haye saying he is the undisputed cruiserweight champ because he beat enzo m. But ducking USS Cunningham and jumping up to heavy.
OKORI- Don’t worry, man. I know this, already. It’s really shocking that even someone like MODI, who is able to see through the BS in sports, is SUCKERED into thinking Avoid is a P4P best. He isn’t even in the top 7 at WELTERWEIGHT, much less a P4P top 10 candidate. Who in their right mind uses paychecks as an excuse not to fight legitimate competition?
DAVIDMAC- First and foremost, I’m a PUERTO RICAN from the Bronx, NY. Secondly, Godzilla will pop out of the Hudson River and proceed to take an enormous shit on the West Side Highway before Hopkins defeats Calzaghe. Hopkins is taking his final big check and a beating (if he decides to mix it up that is) to boot. Calzaghe has been the best at 168 for a decade and Hopkins is going to find out why, much like Lacy and a few others have at their expense.
And TRUST ME, it’s not only the Brits that LAUGH at Gayfeather. Puerto Ricans here and on the island KNOW FOR A FACT that Gayfeather wouldn’t dare step into the ring vs. QUINTANA, much less COTTO. The closest we will ever see to Gayfeather fighting Cotto was when he fought Cotto’s sparring partner- Henry Bruseles. That had to be the best joke in PR when Avoid said he wouldn’t fight Cotto, due to money reasons, but went right ahead to fight Bruseles for CHUMP CHANGE! LMFAO! And the American media, and HBO, and Top Rank all just IGNORED the PATHETIC excuse AVOID came up with.
Enjoy this video, GAYFEATHER lovers…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WjZb20kZo
I have never wanted to see a fight more than I want to see Mayweather-Cotto. I’d eat all the humble-pie that i need to if I am wrong, and if right, I’d really enjoy seeing you stuff your face Jimmy!
DMac, I bet that you feel real stupid after that whole Brit diatribe…
As for Hopkins, he will not decide to mix it up. And while if forced to choose I would predict Calzaghe will win, I just can’t comfortably bet against Hopkins. I was already dead wrong wrong on Tito and Tarver. No bold predictions coming from me. …Bernard will never really mix it up… that’s not his game… However, if he beats Joe C. decisively, he will have put some serious icing on his career cake
Jimmy- My bad confusing you with a brit, I guess you Puerto Ricans are just as delusional as the Brits when it comes to Floyd.
First B-Hop is going to whoop Calzaghe’s over rated ass. The guy has never fought a real great, his record is full of never wases and has beens, and now he is going to fight a HoF who specializes in ring generalship and timing, its going to be a through ass whooping for Joe C. and I can’t wait until April for it. I know you PRs are still hurt about the whooping B-Hop put on Tito, but it is time to let it go.
Second, Mayweather challenged Cotto twice. Bob Arum refused to accept the offer, citing Cotto was not ready. Now he has to wait in line. What is funny to me is that you talk about Mayweather ducking him, and ignore Cotto ducking every single one of the top WW contenders in the division. He has not challenged Margarito, Cintron, Williams, Quintana, or Clottey. Instead of challenging young or prime fighters, he narrowly wins against a faded Mosley, and does the Puerto Rican bail out move of hitting people in the nuts when he is getting his ass waxed, ie Zab Judah. Cotto would have more of a case if he would fight any of those mentioned above instead of fucking Alfonso Gomez.
DMac, Cotto gave Quintana his only loss.
I can’t wait for B-Hop-Calzaghe
DAVIDMAC- You’re another GAYFEATHER jocksniffer and that’s fine. You’re proud of your African American boxers, but the fact of the matter is that Hopkins has been fighting GARBAGE since his fight with Tito. Tito MADE his career, although Tito was an undersized competitor. Hopkins has been fighting GARBAGE. The only young guy he faced beat him twice- Jermaine Taylor. When he faces Calzaghe, we’re all going to see Hopkins get slapped around and toyed with by someone naturally bigger, faster and stronger. It should be entertaining.
As for Cotto being challenged by GAYFEATHER twice, don’t make an enormous ASS out of yourself. Cotto and Arum wanted to fight AVOID but AVOID wasn’t interested in fighting Cotto. Avoid’s excuse was Cotto wasn’t a big enough name……but then he fights BRUSELES LMFAO! Arum NEVER turned away a big fight for Cotto, lol! What a joke. Only an African American fight fan can spit out something so GODDAMNED stupid lol.
Allow me to EDUCATE YOU for a second, DMAC. First of all, the 2nd best Welterweight in the world is Carlos Quintana. Quintana has defeated not one, but TWO of biggest up and coming Welterweights we have today in Paul Williams and Joel Julio. For YOUR EDUCATION, that’s BETTER competition than AVOID GAYFEATHER has fought since he weighed 135, “BROTHER”. This is the same Carlos Quintana that Cotto BEAT THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF. Second of all, Miguel Cotto has beaten Carlos Quintana AND Sugar Shane Mosley. Shane is particularly an impressive win, because Mosley is a steriod cheat. Once a cheat, always a cheat. Yes, that’s right. Mosley’s name appeared in the BALCO investigation along with Barry Bonds and Marion Jones. Cotto defeated a steroid cheat and beat him with pure boxing skill. Quintana and Mosley are GREATER competition than AVOID GAYFEATHER has fought since 135, “BROTHER”!
Cotto is fighting Alfonso Gomez, because after the INTENSE COMPETITION he has fought recently, he deserves a tomato can. Margarito and Cintron already are fighting. Obviously, Clottey was available, but the fight wasn’t made. Williams just lost, so he is up in the air about what direction he is heading in. He aint ready for Cotto if he got his ass handed to him by Quintana. Guess who that leaves? YOUUUUUUUUUUUU GUESSED IT….AVOID CHICKEN GAYFEATHER. And he is in the WWE hiding from Cotto. And how much of a SUCKER are you as his fan? You fucking defend the PUSSY as if Avoid has been fighting the best at Welterweight!!!!!
Talk to Puerto Ricans when Avoid Gayfeather has the balls to fight ONE OF THE THREE PUERTO RICAN WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONS, OK?
MODI- I will eat humble pie if AVOID grows a pair and fights Miguel..lol. I doubt he EVER fights Miggy. He isn’t MAN enough, in my opinion and the opinion of most who follow boxing.
MODI- I know Cotto beat Quintana, but that was Jr. Welterweight, not at Welterweight. Also if he already beat him, why doesn’t he try to collect the belt from him. Instead he is trying to setup a fight with damn Mayorga, how is that going to help his claim as a top WW.
Jimmy – I dont like Mayweather simply because he is black. I like him because he reminds me of Sweet Pea, who is one of my favorite boxers. He specializes in what boxing truly is, hitting but not getting hit and I love to see fighters who do that.
As for B-Hop, fighting Roy Jones Jr., James Toney, moving up to Lt. Heavy to fight and beat Antonio Tarver, Winkey Wright, De La Hoya, Glenn Johnson, and Tito is as far as you can get from fighting GARBAGE as possible. Match it up against Calzaghe, hell match it up against Tito.
http://allhiphop.com/extras/print.aspx?app=lifestylesports&PostId=19156576 That is a link to just one of the sources that verify that Arum turned down a offer by Mayweather to fight Cotto.
Now you are going to educate me by saying some BS like Joel Julio and Paul Williams are better comp than Mayweather? Your bias has been exposed clearly here and there really is no point continuing the argument. Joel Julio is a raw prospect. Paul Williams was exposed by Quintana, so what they fight no where near the level of Mayweather.
Then you have the nerve to say that fighting Quintana, when Cotto was a Jr. WW, and fighting Shane at WW is equal to Mayweather fighting Oscar De La Hoya at 154, with a small ring, reyes gloves, and all the rules slated towards Oscar to give him the advantage. Givve me a fucking break man, you are out of your mind.
Hold up now, Cotto deserves a tomato can, but Mayweather should jump from fighting Ring’s Jr. WW champion, Ricky Hatton to fighting Ring’s #1 WW challegner? BS. Again your bias and double standards are exposed, and now it is getting laughable. Mayweather strings a fight of Gatti, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, who Vernon Forrest couldn’t knock out at 154 but for some reason people though Floyd should KO, Oscar De La Hoya at 154, Ricky Hatton, now he is going back to De La Hoya, that is a fight record of a runner? Give me a break.
I’ll tell you who the coward is it is Cotto. Paul Williams put an offer out to Cotto he declined so that he could fight Gomez. Margarito had a offer out towards Cotto, he declined so he could fight Gomez. Cintron challenged Cotto, he declined so he could fight Gomez. The only person in this thread who is acting like a Coward is Cotto.
DMAC- You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Quintana has NEVER been anything but a Welterweight. Cotto fought Quintana at Welterweight for the WBA title. It was Cotto’s first fight at 147. You’re quoting allhiphop.com for boxing scoops? Sure, they aren’t BIASED for Avoid Gayfeather at all. Please, man. Don’t be the typical Avoid Gayfeather jocksniffer. I said Joel Julio and Paul Williams are better competition than the STIFFS/PAPER CHAMPIONS Avoid Gayfeather has fought! Comprende? In other words, GAYFEATHER has fought GARBAGE compared to the fighters Quintana has fought!
As for AVOID fighting Oscar at 154, Oscar is WASHED up. That was a cupcake set up fight between two guys fighting each other knowing neither can hurt the other. Only true SUCKERS believe that was some competitive fight for a real belt. You, my friend, are a fucking SUCKER! Just like you’re a fucking SUCKER if you think RICKY HATTON was the #1 rated WW after he robbed probably the 10th best welterweight in boxing in Luis Collazo.
You think Gatti was the best 140 champ? He was a PAPER CHAMPION! Are you out of your mind?
You think Zab Judah is a legit welterweight? He was a PAPER CHAMPION! Are you out of your mind?
You think Carlos Baldomir was a legit welterweight champ? He beat a PAPER CHAMPION in Judah! Are you out of your mind?
These “CHAMPS” don’t even register in the top 10 of TRUE top rated Welterweights. As for Paul Williams, he should thank his lucky stars he fought Quintana instead of Cotto. Quintana outboxed and schooled his ass. Cotto would have PUNISHED that boy over 12 rounds. Cintron already signed to rematch Margarito, so there was no ducking by Cotto. Cotto has fought the BEST WELTERWEIGHT after himself and he BEAT THE FUCK OUT HIM. Mosley, who is 100% better than Avoid got beat by Cotto. The ONLY other welterweight who has fought the level of competition that Cotto has fought is Antonio Margarito (he fought Williams and Cintron).
The BIGGEST chicken out here is AVOID GAYFEATHER, who has NOT fought 1 of the top 7 Welterweights out there.
COTTO? NOPE
CINTRON? NOPE
QUINTANA? NOPE
MARGARITO? NOPE
CLOTTEY? NOPE
WILLIAMS? NOPE
MOSLEY? NOPE
Jimmy- The only thing I was wrong about was Quintana-Cotto weight, you are 100% correct, it was at WW. Other than that everything else is BS.
It is a known fact Mayweather approached Arum about fighting Floyd in 2005, but that Arum refused and said Cotto was not ready yet. Give it a break man. Your boy Cotto had his shot now he has to wait in line after Oscar.
Quintana again has fought nobody in the league of who Mayweather fought. I hate Hatton as much as the next guy but he was Ring magazine’s 1 Jr. WW. Before that he fought 154-champ, Oscar De La Hoya at 154. Before that he fought the linear champ, not paper, Carlos Baldomir, before that he fought the previous linear champ Zab Judah. His last 4 opponents have been greater than Quintana’s and thats just fact. Time to face it.
OScar may be washed up, but he still has a huge punch and Floyd fought him at the higher weight. Floyd fought him in a small ring and with punchers gloves, even though he has weak hands, and dominated him the whole fight. If you can’t respect that, it is just further evidence of your bias AGAINST Floyd.
Now I never said Hatton was the 1 WW, I said he was the number 1 Jr. WW according to Ring Magazine and he still is.
Gatti was a C level fighter you are correct, but at the time he was a more game opponent, knock out power and could take punches, than Alfonso Gomez, you know the guy your boy Cotto is facing instead of one of the top WW fighters in the division.
Then you go on to insult Zab as a paper champ when the man was the linear WW champ. Wow you really need to read up. Last time I checked the WW title, going back to Sweet Pea, went to Oscar, to Tito, Tito vacates champs go to Vernon Forrest and to Oscar, Sugar Shane beats Oscar, Shane and Vernon fight Vernon unifies, Vernon gets beat by Mayorga, Mayorga loses to Corey Spinx, Spinx gets beat by Zab, Zab loses to Baldomir, and Mayweather beats Baldo.
There was nothing paper about Zab or Baldomir’s championship, nothing at all, only a fool would believe that, but it figures you are blinded by hate.
As for Paul Williams, I don’t see why you think he is lucky. Cotto doesn’t move and box like Quintana and it is that slickness that beat him, Cotto for the most part moves in a straight line at you, and I believe the work rate of Paul would have worn him down. Like they say, styles make fights. Cintron called out Cotto before he signed the dotted line with Margarito, he didn’t go on in the fight with Margarito until Arum decided that Cotto would fight Gomez, even now he still has a chance to fight the winner of the bout, but he is busy trying to get a fight with a shot Mayorga. I guess that is how a true champ does it right?
Lets see who has Cotto fought at WW. Quintana (current champ) nice win, Urkal (fucking joke), Zab Judah (via low blows when he was getting his ass beat), Sugar Shane (30+ year old, in a fight which he won but is disputed). The only top level guy he fought and won in a clear way, (no low blows or contested decisions) is Quintana, but what about Margarito,CLottey, Cintron, and Williams, or hell since he beat him already, why not collect Quintana’s belt? The answer is easy, its safer to fight a shot name than fight some of the hungry fighters his age.
Mayweather:
Requested fight with Mosley, mosley turned it down and said he had a tooth problem he wanted to correct.
Requested fight with Cotto, Arum said he was not ready.
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He did turn down Margarito, but that was because the fight was to be made in Aug, and his hand was still injured from the Zab fight. Hey but then he went on to fight a bigger man at a higher weight, so that doesn’t seem like ducking to me. I mean it wasn’t like he turned down fighting a contender to fight a bum like, you know someone like Gomez.
DMAC- WHAT?!?!?!? Nothing paper about Judah and Baldomir? bwahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahaha! Man, Avoid Gayfeather fans will say ANYTHING to cover up for his cowardice. Since you’re so horny to say Cotto and Arum hid from Avoid, how about AVOID GAYFEATHER NOT accepting the highest paycheck of his career at the time (8 MILLION) to fight THE REAL WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION AT THE TIME- Antonio Margarito? THAT, my friend, is called DUCKING A CHAMP, exactly how he DUCKED COTTO at 140.
And where are you collection these BOGUS excuses for Avoid? Is this from the handbook Avoid distributes to his fans/SUCKERS? Mosley had a toothache? LMFAO! Nice lie. Mosley was at 154 taking care of business (making money) fighting Vargas, since in that time, Avoid couldn’t draw flies to shit as a fighter. And it was AVOID who said he didn’t want to fight Cotto, because Cotto’s name wasn’t big enough, as he then slipped over to fight Henry Bruseles.
LMFAO @ using low blows as the reason Cotto beat Zab Judah. Judah wasn’t beating anybody’s ass when he got hit low. He got hit low and that’s life. The same way AVOID got hit low by Judah- that’s fucking life. Cotto gave Zab a fucking beat, low blows or not, PERIOD! No fucking excuses. Urkal is a tougher fight at 147 than Hatton, who is a FUCKING JOKE as a welterweight. And Mosley was nothing controversial. Easy decision win for Cotto. As for styles make fights, Cotto doesn’t fight straight ahead. Learn your boxing, son. Cotto isn’t slick? What the fuck do you call what Cotto did to Mosley rounds 9,10,11 and 12? That’s the definition of slick, my friend. Mosley got OUTBOXED from the outside by Cotto’s sweet feet and smooth handspeed. Once again, learn boxing.
Then again, what do you know about boxing when you DON’T think Zab and Baldmomir were PAPER CHAMPIONS. NEWSFLASH- The longest tenured champion at 147 was Antonio Margarito. He was champ at 147 since 2002. NONE of those PAPER CHAMPIONS even considered entering the ring with Margarito. No surprise, because AVOID CHICKEN GAYFEATHER didn’t want to get in there against him either. Gayfeather, Baldomir, and Judah- NOTHING MORE THAN PAPER CHAMPIONS @ 147. Very much like Gatti was a PAPER CHAMPION @ 140!
Jimmy – How were Judah and Baldomir paper champs? If they were not the top at the division who was? Corey Spinxs had moved to Jr. Middleweight, along with Mayorga. Vernon Forrest was hurt. Shane was at 154 as well. So who were the real champs at the time? Answer that for me.
As for Shane, you try to make it out like fighting Vargas, who was washed up ever since he got demolished by Tito, is a better deal than fighting Floyd who had just whopped his boss’s, De La Hoya, ass. Come on man, you are running out of excuses. Shane was asked to fight Floyd before and after the Vargas fight and he refused.
If you are going to honestly say Cotto was not getting dominated when he threw those low blows you are a lair.
Urkal is not a tough fight at all, stop trying to boost up the bum so that your boy can look good. Gomez would beat Urkal and you know it.
The Mosley decision was controversial and there was talk of a rematch because it was so close, but I guess Arum knows that he has to keep the cash cow safe and undefeated, hence fighting Gomez and Mayorga. As for getting outboxed, yeah you are right, suprisingly to me, Cotto beat Shane on the outside, but for some reason he was dominated on the inside and Mosley had Cotto backing up the 2nd half of the fight.
Margarito is a real champ? What champ did he beat to get his title? Oh, thats right, he won it in an eliminator against the great WW fighter Antonio Diaz. LOL. Give me a fucking breakman. Margarito picked up a weak, vacant belt and tried to hold onto it like it meant shit. He could have went out and challenged the real belt holders who had respected title but he didnt, instead he fought people like Andrew Lewis and Hercules Kyvelos. The man fought no real competition in his career and held one of the alphabet titles and you call him a real champ, but fighters who fought the world’s best are paper champs? Give me a break man.
As for Gatti, yeah he is a paper champ but how is he a paper champ, for picking up a vacant weak title, but Margarito not?
DMAC- You’re an AVOID GAYFEATHER fan and NOT a fan of the sport. That’s why you say some really foolish things out here. Everyone knows NOBODY wanted to fight Margarito. He moved up to fight Daniel Santos, who was a JR MIDDLEWEIGHT because he couldn’t lock up a fight. Cory Spinks didn’t want anything to do with him. Andrew Lewis got destroyed by him. That’s the fight that terrified the division. To refresh your faulty memory, it was Margarito who handed the current IBF champ Kermit Cintron his only defeat by giving him a true BEATING. It was Margarito who sent Daniel Santos RUNNING out of Welterweight. Clottey, another TOUGH fighter, found out that Margarito can take anything he can throw at him and finally succumbed to Margarito’s intense will and steel chin. It was pretty weak of Clottey to use a hand injury as a reason for not being able to take out Margarito. Margarito has defeated Clottey, Cintron, Andrew Lewis. He challenged Avoid and Avoid said “Thanks, but no Thanks!”
As for your ridiculous comment about the belt meaning nothing, you couldn’t be further from the truth. The WBO belt is LEGIT. It’s one of the top 4 and NOBODY came after this belt, except Cintron. Williams is the only guy to beat Margarito in the last 10 years and he earned it with a tough, although questionable, win. All these TOUGH fights, yet we can’t even debate this topic when AVOID GAYFEATHER has nothing but GARBAGE on his resume.
And Gatti was a PAPER CHAMP created by HBO. Margarito was WBO CHAMP who NOBODY wanted to fight. The guys he fights he punishes terribly. The only one who didn’t get punished was Paul Williams. Too bad Avoid doesn’t have the heart to do what Paul Williams did.
I think that everyone understands that Gatti was never a top-level fighter, but still worth watching because of his heart and guts. There aren’t too many fighters who have been bloodied down and out as much as Gatti and came to win or stay competitive. Never a real champion, but he earned his popular status.
Jimmy – I’m a fan of the sport, just no biased against Floyd like you.
The fact is that Margarito got hold of a worthless belt and hung onto it for dear life at the detriment of his career. If he didn’t have that belt he would have been a mandatory for a real belt, but he didn’t and while it is extremly sad he could not get a big fight, thats not Mayweather’s fault.
I think its funny you bring up Mayweather turning down Margarito to fight Oscar as an example of him running, but you made an excuse for Shane turning down Floyd to fight Vargas, and Cotto turning down Cintron and Margarito to fight Gomez and Mayorga. He is just as bad as Mayweather going by your logic.
As for the WBO yeah they are one of the big four, but their belt was not the big belt in the division and that is a fact.
As for Gatti, like I said he was not a championship level fighter. I agree with you 100%. That being said Margarito still did not get his title from any of the top dogs in the division. He picked up his title in a weak eliminator and because of his championship status he was not in line to fight any of the other champs.
DAVIDMAC- One more time, Margarito has fought TOUGHER competition than AVOID GAYFEATHER has at 147. What’s the puzzle? None of Avoid’s fights offered the threat either Paul Williams or Kermit Cintron offered. Stop the stupidity, already. Again, Cotto has also fought TOUGHER competition. Shane’s career is littered with great fights. He has NO reason to duck a soft punching, non-brawler like Avoid. Avoid CAN’T hurt Mosley. Cotto could have hurt Mosley and Mosley took that fight- the same fight FUCKING AVOID HAS REFUSED TO TAKE…LMFAO!
Here is a little info for you. The most avoided man at 140 is Ricardo Torres. He shook 140 up after he put a shock on Miguel Cotto. I don’t see anyone chasing him for a piece of his WBO belt. Funny how Cotto took the challenge, but Hatton nor Witter will give him a look. Gavin Rees (WBA champ) won’t fight him. Malignaggi (IBF champ) aint thinking about fighting him. Witter (WBC champ) aint fighting him. Cotto was the ONLY man who took the risk. Now none of the other champs want to get in there with him. Who else does Cotto have to defeat? Two of the current 140 champs Cotto DESTROYED! A current 147 fighter, Cotto DESTROYED! Explain to me what Gayfeather has destroyed in the last 2 weight classes? PAPER CHAMPS!
Jimmy – I agree with you Margarito does have the higher grade WW opponents. He should he has been in the division longer. What is weird to me is this though, you have Floyd beating the men of the division,by name, belt, and ranking, yet you call him a coward. You praise Cotto, for not fighting the man you deem the champ of the division. Can you not see the bias.
Cotto has fought the greater WW competition, because again he fought more WW fights. Floyd didn’t have to, he moved up and got the break to fight the Ring WW champ and did it. I’m not going to hate on him for jumping up a weight class and beating the champ. Aside from that, while he is not fighting WW, atleast he is not fighting down in competition. This guy is challenging Jr. Middleweights. So the mantra of ducking still doesn’t apply.
As for your excuse about Shane. Keep believing that, Floyd followed Mosley his whole career and he always called him out, and Shane always deflected.
As for Torres, what about him, he never beat the man at Jr. WW so why would you say he is the champ. That is what is funny to me. You get these cats who have belts that are not respected in the division calling themselves champs for some reason. If Cotto wanted to be the man at Jr. WW, he would have been fighting the men at Jr. WW instead of going to distance with someone like Malinaggi or fighting someone like Torres. Why wasn’t he fighting or challenging the Koysta’s, Hatton’s, and the like, you know the people at the top of the division not people who just had belts.
As for who Mayweather destroyed, it really does not matter. He boxing style isn’t for destroying, it is for winning matches.
DAVIDMAC- Allow me to correct you one more time. Avoid’s first fight at 147 was on 11/2005. Cotto’s first 147 fight was 12/2006. AVOID has NOT been at 147 less time. He actually RAN from 140 in order to fight a BUM in Sharmba Mitchell. Lemme break down this SCAM Avoid keeps running on you kids.
140 WBC Light Welterweight title= Avoid beats PAPER CHAMP Arturo Gatti and NEVER defends that belt against the best Light Welterweights
147 IBF Welterweight Title= Avoid defeats Zab Judah
147 WBC Welterweight Title= Avoid beats Carlos Baldomir
These are 2 PAPER CHAMPIONS. Avoid doesn’t defend EITHER belt. He fights Oscar for the Jr Middleweight belt and doesn’t defend it either. Neither did Oscar BTW.
Finally, Avoid beats Hatton WHO ISN’T A WELTERWEIGHT.
One more time for anyone paying attention….AVOID has not defended the 140 or 147 belts against any of the top fighters in each respective weight class.
WHAT A SCAM AVOID HAS DROPPED ON HIS FANS….COMICAL!
Jimmy = I never said Floyd was in WW less time than Cotto, I said he had less true WW fights than Cotto. He has been in WW less time than Margarito. Seems like now you are trying to twist my words to keep the argument going, even when I basically agree with you.
As for 140, Mayweather called out Koysta and Gatti after his fight with your boy Cotto’s sparing partner. Koysta ran to Hatton, so Floyd got Gatti. AFter the Gatti fight, floyd called out Hatton, Hatton ran away saying he wasn’t ready, so he jumped to WW.
He goes to WW and fights the linear champs, nothing is disrespectful at all about that.
You can say what you want about Judah and Baldomir, but they owned the real belts in the division, regardless of whether you like it are not, they were the true champs of the division as recorded by Ring Magazine. Margarito was the paper champ.
YOu are right Mayweather beat Hatton, and Hatton isn’t a WW, but neither is Floyd. Floyd is not a natural WW and started out at a lower weight than Hatton, so I’m not going to hate on him for fighting someone he has been wanting to fight for years.
As for the WW class, I believe it is up for the challengers of the division to weed out the pretenders to find the best of the pack. AS far as I can tell, right now the top guys are Margarito, Clottey, Cintron, Williams, Cotto, and Quintana. Now Quintana has fought three of the top and beaten one of the top, Williams has fought 2, and tried to fight Cintron, but only beat one of the top, Margarito fought four of the top, but only beat three, Cintron has fought one of the top, but beaten any, and Cotto has fought only one and beat him.
Seems to me the challengers need to fight each other to decide the top dog, then that guy should fight Floyd.
Paul and Carlos just fought. Clottey has a fight lined up in April. Cintron and Margarito are going to fight each other. Out of all of the top guys, Cotto doesn’t try to work out a deal with any of them, instead he fight Alfonso Gomez and is trying to setup a fight later in the year against Mayorga. Give me a break. He is being protected really well by Arum, but he isn’t fooling me.
DAVIDMAC- Cotto isn’t fooling you because there is nothing to fool! He is the BEST right now. And if AVOID is this undersized VICTIM, then he shouldn’t be mentioned as a P4P great! He ISN’T! Margarito a PAPER CHAMP? Are you OUT of your mind? That’s why AVOID DUCKED Margarito! LMFAO!
When is AVOID going to defend a belt against the best in the division? He has FAILED to do so at 140, 147 and 154!!!!!! Matter of fact, he has NOT defended EITHER belt against someone from the belt’s weight class. Do you ACKNOWLEDGE this FACT? LOL
WHEN IS THIS MONUMENTAL EVENT GOING TO OCCUR?
WHEN ARE YOU AVOID GAYFEATHER FANS GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT?
One more thing…This is what Cotto is doing. Avoid BITCHED and RAN from Cotto at 140. What AVOID wants to do is wait until Cotto fights another 2 or 3 tough fights while he sits around waiting for Cotto to expend himself. Cotto is going to fight some cupcakes until AVOID GAYFEATHER is MAN enough to entertain a fight with the TRUE CHAMPION OF THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION!
Jimmy – The fact that Floyd IS UNDERSIZED for the division, yet is on top of the division AND has beat bigger men in the division north of WW is a testament to his greatness.
Now while I think Floyd is a HoF, he is nowhere close to being a ATG, because like you’ve said he hasn’t faced enough of the top competition, but he is far from a paper champ and far from a ducker. I would say if he is a ducker then so is Cotto. Personally I feel that neither are duckers, but trying to build name recognition for themselves so they can make more money, which is all good.
Mayweather not fighting Margarito does not legitimize Margarito as a great champ, especially since Margarito got beaten by Paul Williams, a raw prospect, who in turn quickly lost his belt.
As for floyd, why shoudl he have to defend his belts if he is moving to a tougher division. That logic makes no sense to me. You talk of defending belts like it means something. It is a greater feat to become a champion and move up a division and become that division champion, and then move up another division and become that ones champion, and then do it one more time and become a champ in that division, especially when you are undersized, but I know a Floyd hater would never acknowledge that fact.
How did Floyd run from Cotto at 140? He called Cotto out and they refused after they saw how he easily classed Brussiels of whatever his name is, Arum said Cotto was not ready, period. Now Cotto expects Floyd to drop another 20+ Million dollar fight against De La Hoya because he wants to fight him? Who in the hell would do that. Cotto needs to build up his name to the world outside of the Puerto Ricans and while he took the right step in facing a quality name in Shane, it seems he is taking a huge step backwards in fighting popular shot or never were fighters such as Mayorga and Gomez. The funny thing to me is this, if Mayorga is able to make 147 again it only takes one punch for him to finish Cotto. So the fight with a washed up name guy that they are trying to use to build up his name could be the fight that takes that 0 from him, that Arum has been despatately trying to protect.
DAVIDMAC- You’re still a SUCKER for AVOID’S scam.
Zab Judah is originally a 140 figher
Sharmba Mitchell is originally a 135 fighter
Carlos Baldomir is a FUCKING BUM who only beat Judah and Gatti @ 147
Oscar was originally a 135 fighter.
STOP THE BULLSHIT AND WAKE THE FUCK UP!
I almost forgot about how Avoid DUCKED Vivian Harris as well. Junior Witter, who DOESN’T duck fighters, took out the big mouth Harris, something AVOID didn’t TRY to accomplish. You have memory problems if you think Mayweather called out Cotto. He didn’t stick around at 140 long enough to call anyfuckinbody out, so stop it. September ’04 Cotto won the WBO Belt. So the challenge was offered to Avoid, who had just fought Corley in May of ’04. Avoid settled for a fight with Bruseles instead of setting up Cotto after the Pinto fight. Cotto WRECKED Pinto. After sitting around for a few months, Avoid took a fight against Bruseles. What a joke!
HATTON
WITTER
COTTO
HARRIS
These were the top 140 guys. Avoid NEVER bothered fighting them at their best weight. Once again, WHO HAS AVOID FOUGHT? PAPER CHAMPIONS! You’re that stupid to believe Avoid’s bullshit when he said he was the world’s best 140 fighter, THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM! The best part about the fight with Bruseles was it was at an EMPTY AMERICAN AIRLINES ARENA. THE FUCKING ARENA WAS EMPTY! NOBODY THERE! Please with the bullshit.
Who is Avoid Gayfeather to dictate who is or isn’t the man at 147? Avoid is a FUCKING NOBODY..LOL. He can’t draw fans (unless you count Oscar’s fans and Hatton’s fans..lmfao), he isn’t a power puncher so he brings no excitement, and he doesn’t fight formidable competition. Margarito has fought the better competition and WAS the champ for years. It’s not his fault that Judah, Baldomir and the other PAPER CHAMPIONS wouldn’t or couldn’t beat him. I find it HYSTERICAL how SHARMBA MITCHELL was a “good fight” for Gayfeather at 147, but “Margarito has not fought anybody” according to Gayfeather fans.
Cotto build up his name? You Gayfeather JOCKSNIFFERS need to come out of that biased/African American boxing cube you jokers live in. Cotto is WELL KNOWN in America and outside it. REAL BOXING FANS respect what Cotto has done. You fools think because Hatton and Oscar are huge draws that Gayfeather is one as well.
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. Avoid can’t draw SHIT! Let him fight Mayorga and watch Avoid not draw anybody.
Jimmy – Zab Judah still beat the man, by KO no less, who beat the man. He beat Corey, who beat Mayorga. He was the man in the division, there really is no discussion on this.
Carlos Baldomir was the Ring champ after he beat Zab, he would have been the undisputed champ but they wrongly stripped him of one of his titles because of fees. Mayweather also beat him as well, he beat the man who beat the man. There is no discussion that Baldomir was the WW Ring champ, the champion of the 147 division, end of discussion.
So what if Oscar started at 154, he is naturally bigger than Floyd and is a natural WW. He probably should have been the true WW champ since he really beat Tito, but thats another story. Either way, Floyd fought the naturally bigger man at 154, with a small ring, which favors the puncher, Reyes gloves, which are bad for his hands, and came in the fight weighin 147. Let that sink in. He did all of that and put on a boxing clinc against De La Hoya and won.
Stop hating and smell the coffee man. While Floyd hasn’t fought a lot of the top contenders since getting his WW title, he hasn’t fought down in competition, except the Hatton fight, but again, at least Hatton was the Jr. WW champion.
As for Vivian Harris, the guy got beat by Maussa, he was hardly the most feared man of the division and he should have went up to WW, instead of draining himself to stay down there. As for Junior Witter, this is the man who was beaten convincingly by Zab Judah, a man who Floyd broke down completely. Why would he run from him?
You can ignore the truth all you want Floyd Called out Cotto and Arum refused saying he was not ready.
Cotto was not the top guy when Floyd was campaiging in 140. Kosta Tsyu (sp?), Zab Judah, and Hatton were though. After Zab got beat he left the division. Mayweather called out the two champs at the time, Koysta (The Man of the Division) and Gatti (Title holder). Koysta took the safe fight from Hatton and lost and retired. Mayweather took the fight against Gatti and took the title. He sent a feeler to Hatton, and Hatton’s camp refused. Mayweather moved up to fight the greater comp.
Mayweather doesn’t dictate who is the man, the sanctioning bodies and more importantly Ring magazine do. Margarito never held any of the main belts in the division. He picked up a lesser belt in an eliminator (thereby making him a paper champ) and held onto it for dear life, while Oscar got one belt and Shane and Vernon got the other two. Those guys were the top of the WW division. They all fought one or the other and the top man emerged and that was Forrest. Period. Forrest lost to Mayorga, Mayorga to Spinks, Spinks to Judah, Judah to Baldomir, Baldomir to Mayweather. THAT IS WHAT MAKES HIM THE MAN AT THE DIVISION. HE IS THE LINEAR CHAMP and his Ring ranking shows he is the champ of the division period.
Cotto is not known through out the nation. Simple measure of this is look at the pay-per-view buys. which got more, Mayweather – Hatton or Cotto vs. Mosley. Until Cotto can show he is a draw PPV wise, he does not have the popularity of Mayweather, who is getting paid 20+ Million to go to Wrestlemania and is probably goign to make another 20+ mil when he faces De La Hoya again.
DAVIDMAC- Corey Spinks? LMFAO! Dude you’re losing credibility bringing up that bullshit. What? We’re going to back to Felix Trinidad’s ex opponents to justify AVOID GAYFEATHER? Ring Magazine if FULL OF SHIT. Cut it out with this shit that Carlos Baldomir was the best Welterweight..LMFAO. Shut the fuck up, man..lmfao. Ring Magazine..lmfao. They don’t have anything to do with the WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO. Stop the bullshit, already. Ring Magazine is a hype machine, nothing more, nothing less.
STOP STOP STOP, DAVIDMAC. You keep getting owned here with your assortment of LIES. 6/05 is when Hatton beat KT and Avoid got to 140 in May of ’05, so he couldn’t have chased or searched for KT because he was signed to fight Hatton and LOST to Hatton. Cut out the lies. HATTON was the champ and Avoid simply didn’t want to go to Great Britain to fight. In the end, KT was NOT the man when AVOID GAYFEATHER arrived at 140. That title happened to belong to Hatton until Cotto started to bash people at 140. Surrrrrrrre Avoid went up in weight to fight greater competition, as evidenced by the LAUGHABLE Sharmba Mitchell, 140 wanna bee Zab Judah and perennial BUM in Carlos Baldomir..LMFAO! LAUGHABLE!
You want the truth? HATTON didn’t think Gayfeather was worth the trip to America to fight, because GAYFEATHER was a SUCK DICK draw at the gates in 2005. Learn you boxing, son. Hatton Cotto didn’t get done because Cotto and Arum didn’t want to fight overseas either. Hatton WAS THE DRAW when he fought Avoid Gayfeather.
As for Margarito, he defended it against the best the division had in the formidable Kermit Cintron, someone nobody wants to fight. Margarito beat whomever they put in front of him for the exception of Paul Williams.
Cotto is THE MAN @ 147. You go around the WORLD and everyone will agree. GAYFEATHER is simply #1 in the eyes of the American fight fan. When GAYFEATHER decides to enter the ring against LEGITIMATE 147 LB FIGHTERS, he might get some of the accolades jocksniffers like YOURSELF give him.
Only AVOID jocksniffers actually believe the line of BULLSHIT that Avoid is being paid 20 million by the WWE…RRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT!
Only AVOID jocksniffers actually believe Avoid was the draw when he fought Oscar.
Only Avoid jocksniffers actually believe Avoid was the draw when he fought Hatton.
Only Avoid jocksniffers actually believe Avoid fought the best competition, therefore making him the best fighter, at 140 and 147!
COMICAL!
Your dismissal of Ring shows you are too far gone, so it is pointless to continue. I think my previous posts speak for themselves.
With that said I will leave it at this. All the other WW contenders are fighting up in competition.
= Cintron and Margarito are fighting a rematch.
= We just got done with Paul Williams facing a former champ in Quintana
= Clottey is facing a guy with only 2 to 3 loses on April 3, but could fight later this year but……
= Cotto is facing Alfonso Gomez. After Alfonso Gomez, they are working on a fight with Mayorga.
Mayweather is facing Oscar at 147.
Seems to me if Cotto was the man you say he is he would try to go after Quintana (which should be easy), Williams, or Clottey for his 2nd fight instead of bringing up Mayorga to get a cheap win over a name.
Hey believe what you want.
I can’t believe that Jimmy is still at this.
DAVIDMAC- Ring Magazine has not been legit since the 80′s, but don’t let that bit of truth fool you. Shouldn’t AVOID GAYFEATHER try to fight Quintana? Just curious. I mean Cotto did kick his ass already. Why isn’t AVOID acting like a truly GREAT fighter by trying to UNIFY the belts?
Yeah, lets end this because as usual, you arrive with your INCORRECT posts. AVOID and Oscar aren’t fighting at 147. They are fighting at a catch weight. This is like the 200th correction already.
Isn’t is a shame how the BEST welterweights fight one another and/or are planning to, but AVOID GAYFEATHER isn’t interested in a battle with ANY of them!
AWB- Yup…Avoid Gayfeather fans shouldn’t spin their BOGUS propaganda on a site like this. This site is supposed to expose sports FRAUDS while bringing a sense of REALITY to the common fan. Avoid Gayfeather is nothing more than a SHAM. He takes advantage of the weak American boxing and leeches on to fans who have no Sugar Ray Leonards to cheer or miss Sugar Ray Leonards to cheer. This ATROCITY to Boxing is why boxing is getting WHORED by MMA. There is no HYPING of garbage in MMA.
As long as I am around, I will HAMMER Avoid until this FRAUD gets in there with LEGIT competition.
jimmy – if the best are supposed to fight the best how is cotto any better than Mayweather? He is fighting Mayorga and Gomez, far from the cream. If you can”t condemn him you can condemn Mayweather.
DAVIDMAC- Very simple. Cotto has fought Carlos Quintana and Sugar Shane Mosley at welterweight. Mosley is a Hall of Fame fighter and Quintana is the 2nd best welterweight on the planet. That makes him better than AVOID GAYFEATHER because GAYFEATHER HAS NOT PROVEN NOT ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING AT WELTERWEIGHT! AVOID GAYFEATHER can fight a piece of shit like Sharmba Mitchell, but you won’t talk shit. That’s the sign of a GAYFEATHER jocksniffer. EVERYBODY else fights one another at welterweight for the exception of this FRAUD!
SHARMBA MITCHELL
ZAB JUDAH
CARLOS BALDOMIR
RICKY HATTON
Mitchell, Judah, and Hatton are blown up Light Welterweights and Baldomir isn’t even in the top 10 when it comes to the division’s best welterweights. Anyone who follows boxing knows Baldomir was nothing more than the division’s PAPER CHAMPION. I can run off about 15 welterweights who would kick Baldomir’s ass tomorrow, beginning with all 3 Puerto Rican champs governing the division currently.
MAyweather fought the former linear champ, the current lineal champ, and then went too 154 and fought the champ in that division. He has fought higher rated people, I would put Oscar at 154 over all the top guys in 147, except Paul Williams.
Now he is going to fight Oscare again, and if you say its a catch weight probably going to be 150. So he still isn’t fighting lower opposition.
Cotto goes and finds someone who is a D-class fighter, while everyone else in the division is fighting B class or above. Its funny.
DAVIDMAC- All you GAYFEATHER jocksniffers are the same shit. You spin better than the best WASHING MACHINES. LMFAO @ linear champ Carlos Baldomir. Man, you must be fucking stupid if you think Baldomir was one of the top 10 Welterweights at the time he won the belt. Just the fact that you think Ring Magazine suggests the title was something special (the title isn’t special, because it’s the fighter who makes the belt, corky) is all one needs to read. Ring Magazine sucks the dicks of all American hype fighters. How can anyone possibly explain Judah being any top ranked champ in a division that was being run by Margarito for years? Baldomir beats up Zudah at 147 and then “defends” the belt against Arturo Gatti!!!!!!!LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
It’s fucking AMAZING how AVOID instantly got the fight with Baldomir right after Baldomir beats up Gatti. Give me a fucking break, man. Grow a brain already!
Are you fucking serious? THAT’S the “linear champ” according to Ring Magazine? WHATEVER! The REAL champ was Margarito.
Let me get this straight. Avoid GAYFEATHER can go run and HIDE at 154 against a WASHED UP Oscar, but you want Cotto to take 3 tough fights and THEN fight GAYFEATHER. You know what Cotto is saying? “GO FUCK YOURSELF, AVOID! I’m going to fight some cupcakes. I will take “no risk” fights and be ready when your bitch ass decides to grow the balls to enter the ring against me!”
Here is a hint, DAVIDMAC. Cotto DESTROYED the division’s next best fighter- Carlos Quintana. Mosley is probably the 4th or 5th best at 147 and Cotto beat him as well.
GAYFEATHER fans are COMICAL. You guys are BEYOND delusional!
Here’s the difference between Cotto and Avoid Gayfeather. Cotto’s first fight at 147 was for the Welterweight Title against an UNDEFEATED future champ in Carlos Quintana. Avoid Gayfeather’s first welterweight encounter was against a BLOWN UP LIGHTWEIGHT in the WASHED UP Sharmba Mitchell! Nuff said!
Judah was the champ because he beat the champ.
Why Floyd got the fight really does not matter, he got the fight.
If running to hide by fighting a ATG at a higher weight class is cowardice, I don’t want to be brave.
Carlos Quintana isn’t the division’s next best fighter. I think that title belongs to the winner of Cintron – Margarito.
Cotto picked up the belt from Quintana very impressive, he has a string of impressive fights but controversial.
NOW he is fighting Gomez and trying to fight Mayorga at 147.
JUDAH was and is AN OVERRATED SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT, nothing more nothing less. He was no great champ and Spinks wasn’t either. Spinks was junk.
AVOID fighting Oscar is LAUGHABLE! Oscar stopped being an all-time great over 4 years ago, so get real. Oscar left his punching power at 140. The last REAL opponent Oscar fought (not counting the DIVE he took against Hopkins and then inking him to his promotion company) was Mosley. Oscar got BEAT. LMFAO @ giving AVOID GAYFEATHER credit for fighting a HAS BEEN is a JOKE that can only be told by AVOID’S legion of jocksniffers. That’s like giving Jones Jr credit for beating Trinidad this January. You’re on drugs, man.
There is NOTHING controversial about ANY of Cotto’s wins at welterweight. All have been relatively easy calls to make. Only “controversy” was Judah and his overreaction to some low blows. Whatever. You get over the low blows and fight on. Typical of the American media to give Judah some benefit of the doubt, when his skills just aren’t good enough to beat someone as talented as Cotto. Mosley, who 100x’s the fighter Zab is was soundly defeated by Cotto. Cotto went as far to box Shane and outshine him. Avoid talks about finding weaknesses in Shane’s game, but has yet to make a match with him…LMFAO.
COTTO deserves cupcakes. He has fought brilliant opponents. AVOID fans want Cotto softened up in the event their hero returns. WHATEVER. Worry about the BULLSHIT career path AVOID has taken before pointing any UNDESERVING fingers at Miguel Cotto.
TO ALL THE AVOID GAYFEATHER JOCKSNIFFERS= Isn’t it GREAT when the best fighters of their respective division put on a BRILLIANT exhibition of TRUE BOXING? Last night was a perfect example. Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez pitted two of the best P4P fighters on the planet. Manny is top 3 if not #1 currently! Pacquiao is a true JOY to watch. Courage, power, speed all rolled up into a 130lb body of fury. Too bad AVOID GAYFEATHER fans can’t use all three definitions to describe their boy…………….
Jimmy,
For the 2nd time in a month I want to shoot myself. I leave a family gathering and arrive at 11PM to a pool hall where I’ve seen just about every PPV fight for the last 5 years. To my surprise they are not showing Pacquiao-Marquez. Immediately rush to next best place and they are not showing it either. By the time I get home, I just didn’t want to drop the $$$ to see the last 3 rounds, then kneeled and prayed that it would not be like their first fight. …looks like I was wrong… will catch next week on HBO…
…so who do you think won?… it sure seems like the Marquez brothers have trouble catching breaks in the close ones…
MODI- I missed the first 4 rounds thanks to a power outage at my boy’s crib, so I can’t be a good judge. Pacquiao was pretty strong throughout this fight. This guy is a machine. You have to be a bigtime puncher to beat him because he will walk right through you if you don’t hit hard enough. Pacquiao proves over and over again that you can’t just beat him with “boxing skill” aka jabs and footwork. He is fast enough to stay close and nail you with power. That’s a deadly combination. Mix in that he is a southpaw and you have one truly formidable competitor. Pacquiao simply closes the gap between the two fighters, and when you need to throw something to keep him at bay, it has to be more than shoeshine punches or he lights you up with pop. Marquez was very game, but in the end, couldn’t pull it out on the scorecards of 2 judges. Great fight, MODI. Make no plans next weekend!
I had Marquez winning the fight by a round, he simply outboxed Pac-Man and killed him with counters, sometimes making him look foolish.
I can’t knock the win though, Pac had such great power, and every time there was a trade Pac got the better of it. Plus Pac was iniating the action.
I hope Pac gives the man a rematch though, and does not move up to lightweight.
I had it a draw again. Marquez looked good and counterd very well. Pac-man hits hard and wanted to mic it up more but Marquez stuck to his game plan well.
I think the knockdown was the key to the fight.