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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re Ranting Baseball: Crash Davis on Steroids</title>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5323</link>
		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DMac, Kenesaw Mountain Landis -- as COMMISSIONER -- was THE REASON that baseball didn&#039;t integrate sooner. Forget &quot;product of his time&quot;. There were owners who were &quot;products of their time&quot; that saw things differently... Amongst one of several examples is that Bill Veeck wanted to buy the Philadelphia Phillies in 1942 with plans to integrate the team, but was blocked by Landis. And no, I would not eliminate any players from the HOF(see Cap Anson; Ty Cobb) because they should be judged on their baseball prowess. However, a COMMISSIONER should be judged on their contribution or lack there of to the game. 

Temple, I&#039;m going to take care of your request right now!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMac, Kenesaw Mountain Landis &#8212; as COMMISSIONER &#8212; was THE REASON that baseball didn&#8217;t integrate sooner. Forget &#8220;product of his time&#8221;. There were owners who were &#8220;products of their time&#8221; that saw things differently&#8230; Amongst one of several examples is that Bill Veeck wanted to buy the Philadelphia Phillies in 1942 with plans to integrate the team, but was blocked by Landis. And no, I would not eliminate any players from the HOF(see Cap Anson; Ty Cobb) because they should be judged on their baseball prowess. However, a COMMISSIONER should be judged on their contribution or lack there of to the game. </p>
<p>Temple, I&#8217;m going to take care of your request right now!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MODI</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5320</link>
		<dc:creator>MODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I see this as a public perception issue more than a racist one. I think if you swap Barry Bonds with Ken Griffey Jr. or Tony Gwynn you would have a situation where they would sweep the process under the rug, but because of the public perception/probably truth that Bonds is an asshole, you have people wanting to get him.&quot;

DMac, it is not either/or. Personality AND race are factors in an integrated way that cannot separated. The problem is that &quot;black jerks&quot; always seem to get far greater punishments in &quot;public perception&quot; than &quot;white jerks&quot;. Racial bias is still clearly a factor. I will argue that Clemens has a track record  that is every bit the &quot;jerk&quot; as Bonds. (The Piazza chronicles; the yearly hostage negotiations; the perks and privileges unseen by any other players in history without the &quot;me-first&quot; label that any black player would wear around their neck). 

Black jerks must be compared to white jerks -- which is why Bonds-Clemens is so useful. A Tony Gwynn analogy is not useful here only if you were going to compare to say a really nice white guy -- like say Andy Pettitte.... and it is hard for me to imagine any black player getting the Pettitte kid gloves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see this as a public perception issue more than a racist one. I think if you swap Barry Bonds with Ken Griffey Jr. or Tony Gwynn you would have a situation where they would sweep the process under the rug, but because of the public perception/probably truth that Bonds is an asshole, you have people wanting to get him.&#8221;</p>
<p>DMac, it is not either/or. Personality AND race are factors in an integrated way that cannot separated. The problem is that &#8220;black jerks&#8221; always seem to get far greater punishments in &#8220;public perception&#8221; than &#8220;white jerks&#8221;. Racial bias is still clearly a factor. I will argue that Clemens has a track record  that is every bit the &#8220;jerk&#8221; as Bonds. (The Piazza chronicles; the yearly hostage negotiations; the perks and privileges unseen by any other players in history without the &#8220;me-first&#8221; label that any black player would wear around their neck). </p>
<p>Black jerks must be compared to white jerks &#8212; which is why Bonds-Clemens is so useful. A Tony Gwynn analogy is not useful here only if you were going to compare to say a really nice white guy &#8212; like say Andy Pettitte&#8230;. and it is hard for me to imagine any black player getting the Pettitte kid gloves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5216</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you just get banned on another site for being a di@%#!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you just get banned on another site for being a di@%#!.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5215</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh David...there&#039;s no point in being serious with you.  You&#039;re still a pseudo-intellectual whore who likes to carry other people&#039;s water.  No matter the dialect or the district - if you ever wanted to get serious, you&#039;d know how to find me.  Keep strivin&#039; and you&#039;ll git to the Whites-only House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh David&#8230;there&#8217;s no point in being serious with you.  You&#8217;re still a pseudo-intellectual whore who likes to carry other people&#8217;s water.  No matter the dialect or the district &#8211; if you ever wanted to get serious, you&#8217;d know how to find me.  Keep strivin&#8217; and you&#8217;ll git to the Whites-only House.</p>
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		<title>By: Okori</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5201</link>
		<dc:creator>Okori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>umm yeah. maybe you should sit down for a while man. how bout a fresca?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>umm yeah. maybe you should sit down for a while man. how bout a fresca?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Temple3

Wow, what a great way to post so much and say so little. Go drink your 40 and smoke your weed, maybe play some ball, and finish up by hanging with your 16 kids who you haven&#039;t seen since they were born. When you do that, then get back at me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Temple3</p>
<p>Wow, what a great way to post so much and say so little. Go drink your 40 and smoke your weed, maybe play some ball, and finish up by hanging with your 16 kids who you haven&#8217;t seen since they were born. When you do that, then get back at me.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidMac:

It&#039;s odd that you say you &quot;think&quot; these things when the absence of thought is so obvious.

If you keep this up, you&#039;ll be gub&#039;nah uh Miz&#039;sipi fo&#039; sunrize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidMac:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd that you say you &#8220;think&#8221; these things when the absence of thought is so obvious.</p>
<p>If you keep this up, you&#8217;ll be gub&#8217;nah uh Miz&#8217;sipi fo&#8217; sunrize.</p>
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		<title>By: Temple3</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5181</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIIIGHT MODI!!!!!

ENOUGH.  I&#039;m sick and tired of looking at Kevin Costner&#039;s ass every time I come to your site.  

Please, please, please post something - anything to get his grille off the top of the page.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIIIGHT MODI!!!!!</p>
<p>ENOUGH.  I&#8217;m sick and tired of looking at Kevin Costner&#8217;s ass every time I come to your site.  </p>
<p>Please, please, please post something &#8211; anything to get his grille off the top of the page.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidMac</title>
		<link>http://www.cosellout.com/2008/02/28/were-ranting-baseball-crash-davis-on-steroids-2/comment-page-1/#comment-5124</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think Cooperstown is racist. I also don&#039;t think segregationist should be disrespected after their death either, since they were a product of a different time. That being said I do think it is disheartening to see the public perception of steroids change with the introduction of Roger Clemens into the mix.

I have to disagree again though when you attribute the disparity between how people feel about Bonds compared to Clemens. I see this as a public perception issue more than a racist one. I think if you swap Barry Bonds with Ken Griffey Jr. or Tony Gwynn you would have a situation where they would sweep the process under the rug, but because of the public perception/probably truth that Bonds is an asshole, you have people wanting to get him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Cooperstown is racist. I also don&#8217;t think segregationist should be disrespected after their death either, since they were a product of a different time. That being said I do think it is disheartening to see the public perception of steroids change with the introduction of Roger Clemens into the mix.</p>
<p>I have to disagree again though when you attribute the disparity between how people feel about Bonds compared to Clemens. I see this as a public perception issue more than a racist one. I think if you swap Barry Bonds with Ken Griffey Jr. or Tony Gwynn you would have a situation where they would sweep the process under the rug, but because of the public perception/probably truth that Bonds is an asshole, you have people wanting to get him.</p>
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		<dc:creator>LeBron Goes Off (Again); KG Leads Celtics Past Pistons and Into Playoffs; The Best Suns PG of All Time Runs For Mayor; TSF Fam Links &#124; The Starting Five</dc:creator>
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